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    Re: Moderate Democrats are quitting on Obamacare

    Republicans are making a huge mistake fighting against Obamacare. They SHOULD be pressing for it to continue as written. They should NOT allow the president to usurp the constitution and violate the law. He promoted that pisec of **** legislation, democrats passed it without knowing what is in it, and now that it is about to be implemented he is ****ting bricks because he and the democrats KNOW it is going to have a huge negative impact on business, employment, the economy overall, individuals lives, etc. They should be forced to swallow that **** sandwich they made and then deal with the consequences. As it is, they will fight it, maybe even win, and the democrats will blame everything on them.

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    Re: Moderate Democrats are quitting on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    We have universal healthcare in Canada, and no woman will be denied pain meds while giving birth. I am quite surprised that is the case in Japan. I'll have to ask my boyfriend who lived there for 5 years.
    feel free to. We were amazed too, so we went and asked some friends of ours who had just delivered locally.

    In any event, if the option is to pay out of pocket, I am sure pain meds would be much cheaper than having to pay to the whole birth. I wonder how much that costs? $10,000-$15,000?
    it was about $10K five years ago when my government health insurance tried to deny coverage for it. Ah, good ole Tricare. Excellent healthcare... so long as your problem can be solved with a Motrin pill.

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    Re: Moderate Democrats are quitting on Obamacare

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    feel free to. We were amazed too, so we went and asked some friends of ours who had just delivered locally.
    I am wondering if it has anything to do with Japanese culture.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Moderate Democrats are quitting on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I am wondering if it has anything to do with Japanese culture.
    Perhaps, but it's not that much of an outlier. Expensive treatments that aren't "necessary" get trimmed when you start rationing, as all UHC systems have to do (some more than others), and the decisions aren't being made by the patients.

    The British system, for example, has those who come in with lung cancer assigned a specialist... who takes long enough to see that a good enough portion of patients go ahead and conveniently either die or move beyond saving, thus producing significant cost savings to the system. Hooray!

    That is why your Supreme Court struck down the part of your UHC law that forbade use of private medical facilities. "Access to a waiting list is not access to healthcare", I believe, was the verdict.

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    Re: Moderate Democrats are quitting on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Perhaps, but it's not that much of an outlier. Expensive treatments that aren't "necessary" get trimmed when you start rationing, as all UHC systems have to do (some more than others), and the decisions aren't being made by the patients.

    The British system, for example, has those who come in with lung cancer assigned a specialist... who takes long enough to see that a good enough portion of patients go ahead and conveniently either die or move beyond saving, thus producing significant cost savings to the system. Hooray!

    That is why your Supreme Court struck down the part of your UHC law that forbade use of private medical facilities. "Access to a waiting list is not access to healthcare", I believe, was the verdict.
    I can't speak for other countries, but I can assure you that a patient in Canada with lung cancer will be taken care of with the highest amount of urgency and care, no matter the initial prognosis. However, the guy who needs the knee replacement might have to wait a bit longer. And our Supreme Court made the right decision... I truly believe that for profit healthcare is a human rights violation.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Moderate Democrats are quitting on Obamacare

    I favor single payer on anything catastrophic that requires hospitalization from broken bones to giving birth. Everything else whether going to doctor for a cold or cosmetic surgery for vain purposes a cash/charity system. Put in strict nutritional regulations on the food and beverage industry that turns the entire industry into whole foods and water. Yes kill Mcdonalds. Extreme plan...maybe, especially nutrition which likely is not realistic... but it will solve the problems of cost, waiting lines, and rationing. And imo would be a smart and healthy way to go.

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    Re: Moderate Democrats are quitting on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I can't speak for other countries, but I can assure you that a patient in Canada with lung cancer will be taken care of with the highest amount of urgency and care, no matter the initial prognosis. However, the guy who needs the knee replacement might have to wait a bit longer. And our Supreme Court made the right decision... I truly believe that for profit healthcare is a human rights violation.
    the Supreme Court of your country insisted on allowing for-profit healthcare. Because state run systems were killing people by keeping them on waiting lists. I would say that refusing people the ability to seek healthcare is a human rights violation, not being upset because they don't seek it through the State.

    Canada generally runs its' system more effectively - I'll give it that. We would not be able to replicate that - efficiency is not a hallmark of our government. But your government is wiser in several ways (which is why you have a higher Economic Freedom Index Score than we do) than ours, which also benefits your HC processes.

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    Re: Moderate Democrats are quitting on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    the Supreme Court of your country insisted on allowing for-profit healthcare. Because state run systems were killing people by keeping them on waiting lists. I would say that refusing people the ability to seek healthcare is a human rights violation, not being upset because they don't seek it through the State.
    If this is in reference to the ruling regarding the Quebec Charter of Rights and Freedoms, then yes, the Supreme Court of Canada I believe ruled single payer systems as a violation of human rights in Quebec. I don't remember all of the details I think it's been over 10 years or so. As far as I know, nothing has changed in Quebec. I think if we were to incorporate for profit healthcare, it would open a huge can of worms and that is probably why nothing has changed.


    Canada generally runs its' system more effectively - I'll give it that. We would not be able to replicate that - efficiency is not a hallmark of our government. But your government is wiser in several ways (which is why you have a higher Economic Freedom Index Score than we do) than ours, which also benefits your HC processes.
    It's a mistake to think our healthcare is government run. It is not. The government sets the basic rules and pays the bills. They don't tell doctors, clinics and hospitals what to do.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Moderate Democrats are quitting on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Moderate Democrats are quitting on Obamacare



    This law is junk, we always knew, Dems are getting to know it, and Obama has already admitted it (with the delayed implementation to 2015).
    They're pandering to the people now that they can accept the fact that the people don't want Obamacare despite what these same democrats were saying when Nancy Pelosi was dragging her gavel around and gifting us with her stupidity. Either that or democrats just ran out of whitty excuses.

    Make no mistake - unions played a major role in "changing the minds" of democrats.

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    Re: Moderate Democrats are quitting on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    They're pandering to the people now that they can accept the fact that the people don't want Obamacare despite what these same democrats were saying when Nancy Pelosi was dragging her gavel around and gifting us with her stupidity. Either that or democrats just ran out of whitty excuses.

    Make no mistake - unions played a major role in "changing the minds" of democrats.
    Yeah, those awful working people, organizing and changing people's mind. Where do they get off doing things to make the lives of working Americans better?

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