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    Re: Boehner promises more House votes to derail ObamaCare implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    So, right, tererun. Of course, each state has latitude to run their exchange their way. So, you're bound to see different numbers where ObamaCare's implementation is concerned vary from state-to-state. Nonetheless, although I've never been overwhelmingly crazy about the law myself, I can see some practicalities to it. As I've said before it was the best compromise the public could expect under today's congressional hyper-partisanship.
    I have gone back and forth on the whole act. There are some good things in it like the limiting of expense not related to customer care that should certainly happen. Also, I do like that it seems to have driven competition in a industry that seemed to have a lot of price fixing in it. I am still very skeptical about forcing everyone into private health insurance because it is one of the biggest areas of dishonest and evil practices of corporate america. One of the reasons people went without health insurance was because it was so insanely expensive for something you only need if you get hit with some huge illness. I can afford to go to the doctor for regular check ups, or even if I get something that requires some prescription. To spend hundreds of dollars a month of your paycheck just in case you got a serious debilitating injury or illness and then to know they would refuse payment and toss you off your policy for making a claim was insane. I never wanted health insurance to pay for regular doctor visits because I could do that myself, but I wanted it for the reality that a huge injury was way beyond what a middle class person could afford to pay treatment on.

    If this is true and it lowers the basic coverage to a level that is around 50-100 a month that is actually reasonable. It is reasonable from an employer's side, and from a personal side. I am actually wondering if obama was smart in delaying the employer mandate. It seemed like a horrible backstab at first, but if the act works in the places that back it, and businesses see it as being affordable and possible to do, it may actually work out for him. This way in states that were oppositional and have done everything they can to make the implementation as hard and as crappy as possible he will have something to point to to show them that it does work and that the businesses should put their money behind full implementation so they can get the reduced rates promised.

    It is hard to say at this point if the act is full fail like the republicans have been predicting, or if it might be an acceptable middle step between the old way and full state medical coverage. One thing is for sure if it even remotely works out the republicans will lose whatever credibility they have with the middle. After all this chicken littling the sky had better be falling. The world has not ended because of mexicans, blacks, abortions, legalized drugs, muslims, higher taxes on the rich, and gay marriage. It is the problem with terror based propaganda. If the world does not end you seem a little paranoid delusional.

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    Re: Boehner promises more House votes to derail ObamaCare implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    In other words you support things that will accomplish nothing instead of doing serious business?
    I do have to agree with the idea that many times congress doing nothing is far better than one side or the other getting their extremist BS passed. Look at states which have predominantly one side or the other in charge and some of the BS they pull because the opposition is not effective. Yes, the republicans have taken it to a spiteful and stupid level recently, but the reality is that it is supposed to work that insanity of extremists gets stopped by gridlock. The problem with that theory seems to be that when it comes to things like spying on the american people and corporate welfare from our tax money it gets passed without any gridlock. Oh, and let us not forget wars and pay raises for congress. Then there is huge private contracts which always seem to get passed for their corporate buddies.

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    Re: Boehner promises more House votes to derail ObamaCare implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    In other words you support things that will accomplish nothing instead of doing serious business?
    You mean like spying on millions of innocent americans? Or getting us into another war and killing hundreds of thousands of people?
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    Re: Boehner promises more House votes to derail ObamaCare implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    It doesn't make much difference to the point. Whether you like the bill or hate it there are only 2 ways to get rid of it in america. You either repeal it through the legislature, which is not happening with a dem senate and Obama in charge, or you get the courts to declare it unconstitutional which has already failed setting precedent which will make any further attempts that much harder. So until something changes these votes are a waste of time and resources.

    This may become an even bigger problem seeing as how the bill might actually do something about the insane costs of health insurance. Seeing as how it looks like in many of the states implementing it you are seeing a drastic decrease in health insurance costs to affordable levels the act may actually gain support. I was just reading some news NY rates went down to around 55 dollars a month as opposed to the hundreds of dollars that used to be their minimum. If employers can get rates like that when the mandate comes into effect it is actually good for them too. To give you an idea that is a .34 cent an hour benefit for a FT 40 hour a week employee. When you consider tax incentives and the reality bulk insurance purchases end uip being less it really is not a terrible expense for an employer to make to comply with the law, and your FT employees get health care and can stop bitching about not having it.
    One would think that after this one would post a link showing that this is happening.

    So....want to provide proof of your claims?
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    Re: Boehner promises more House votes to derail ObamaCare implementation

    Huh. How about more House votes to repeal the Patriot Act? That'll get my attention.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: Boehner promises more House votes to derail ObamaCare implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    It doesn't make much difference to the point. Whether you like the bill or hate it there are only 2 ways to get rid of it in america. You either repeal it through the legislature, which is not happening with a dem senate and Obama in charge, or you get the courts to declare it unconstitutional which has already failed setting precedent which will make any further attempts that much harder. So until something changes these votes are a waste of time and resources.

    This may become an even bigger problem seeing as how the bill might actually do something about the insane costs of health insurance. Seeing as how it looks like in many of the states implementing it you are seeing a drastic decrease in health insurance costs to affordable levels the act may actually gain support. I was just reading some news NY rates went down to around 55 dollars a month as opposed to the hundreds of dollars that used to be their minimum. If employers can get rates like that when the mandate comes into effect it is actually good for them too. To give you an idea that is a .34 cent an hour benefit for a FT 40 hour a week employee. When you consider tax incentives and the reality bulk insurance purchases end uip being less it really is not a terrible expense for an employer to make to comply with the law, and your FT employees get health care and can stop bitching about not having it.
    I don't know the details related to NY - it would be interesting to see who is eating the reduction in cost for insurance there. If the reductions are being eaten by the taxpayers of NY through insurance exchanges that artificially reduce the costs now but will eventually rise again once people buy in, that's just a fools game. If the insurance companies are eating it, I'll believe it when I see it.

    As for businesses, two facts remain - if you don't provide insurance to your employees now and you will have to under the employer mandate, you will either raise the cost of your product or reduce your employee compliment or the hours they work to ensure you're under the mandate - since business is not exactly booming and competition remains fierce, I don't see raising prices to pay for insurance as a viable option - secondly, for those who do provide insurance, mostly unionized shops, unions are finding that the companies now have the option of paying the "fine" or tax at a far lesser cost to them than actually providing the insurance - that potentially leads to the loss of employer subsidized health insurance for many and that's what unions are warning about.
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    Re: Boehner promises more House votes to derail ObamaCare implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    In other words you support things that will accomplish nothing instead of doing serious business?
    Like what "serious" business? I'm not interested in corporate welfare, welfare, immigration reform, gun control or whatever other nonsense they want to do that they don't have the power to do.

    Sorry, but I want them to focus on repeals of some laws right now like Obamacare and the Patriot act.

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    Re: Boehner promises more House votes to derail ObamaCare implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read more @: [/FONT][/COLOR]Boehner promises more House votes to derail ObamaCare implementation - The Hill's Video

    In other words more mindless, votes, more votes that have no hope of going anywhere.

    Nothing more than a ploy to sucker voters into voting for them with doa bills.I seriously doubt they would make the same numerous attempts of repealing Obama-care once a republican is president and they have a house and senate majority.
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    Re: Boehner promises more House votes to derail ObamaCare implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    In other words you support things that will accomplish nothing instead of doing serious business?
    Without question. I hate to tell you this but I consider the US Congress to be the biggest impediment to progress in our country. The less it does, the better. I also support free country club memberships for all members of congress and a 4 hour work week for them.

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    Re: Boehner promises more House votes to derail ObamaCare implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yea **** the government governing!
    I have no problem with it governing. I have a problem with it growing or even maintaining its current size.

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