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    Re: Deadly violence continues to sweep Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    well Operation desert fox was late 90's ( just a few years before the Iraq war) and at that point Iraq was still actively trying to make WMD'S. Personally I think the Iraq war was coming anyway but 9/11 postponed it by a couple of years.
    But then again our officials said this in 2000's Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice Tell The Truth About Iraq - YouTube


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    Re: Deadly violence continues to sweep Iraq

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    Saddam was overthrown because he invaded a neighbouring country, used chemical weapons and then spent a decade breaking UN law. What have we done for Iraq honestly I couldn't tell you and hopefully in 10-20 years time they are a flourishing country. When I served a tour in Basra conditions were bad but getting better and the people seemed happy enough we were there but now I'm sure they would probably say something different. It makes me sad personally because I met so many nice people in Basra who were just trying to get by and it saddens me that their life's have not improved, were we wrong to get rid of Saddam no we were not however the occupation and withdrawal could of been handled so much better.
    I spent a lot of time in Iraq my friend (Sadr City, Fallujah, Baqubah, Mosul, etc) and I can tell you this. Almost ALL of those good people you speak of that are just trying to get by would be the first to burn an American flag, stomp on a body of a fallen comrade, or follow whoever the loudest anti-American jihadist with a bull horn is. I would say 9 out of 10 are two faced or have an agenda. That is why that nation and one's like it will not make it. Everyone is out for themselves. There is no sense of community or loyalty there. And I'm not talking loyalty to us. I'm talking to their fellow countrymen. We need to allow all of these struggling Arab nations to simply vet themselves out, see who rises to the top, and then decide whether we want to deal with them or not. If we continue to meddle, the true leaders of their country's will never be revealed.
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    Re: Deadly violence continues to sweep Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    But then again our officials said this in 2000's Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice Tell The Truth About Iraq - YouTube
    and Neville Chamberlain thought that he had secured peace in Europe and Hitler would not invade anymore countries, politicians talk tripe all day long! They are told what they need to know.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Deadly violence continues to sweep Iraq

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    Video @: Deadly violence continues to sweep Iraq - YouTube

    Another day in "liberated" Iraq. 58 people dead and more than 150 injured in unstable and violent Iraq. Something to be real "proud" of my countrymen (USA).
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    Another anti-Iraq thread. Give it a rest man. We got it. Iraq was a mistake. We all know it, we all have acknowledged it, let's move on. How about a thread about why we shouldn't go into Syria?
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    Re: Deadly violence continues to sweep Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I spent a lot of time in Iraq my friend (Sadr City, Fallujah, Baqubah, Mosul, etc) and I can tell you this. Almost ALL of those good people you speak of that are just trying to get by would be the first to burn an American flag, stomp on a body of a fallen comrade, or follow whoever the loudest anti-American jihadist with a bull horn is. I would say 9 out of 10 are two faced or have an agenda. That is why that nation and one's like it will not make it. Everyone is out for themselves. There is no sense of community or loyalty there. And I'm not talking loyalty to us. I'm talking to their fellow countrymen. We need to allow all of these struggling Arab nations to simply vet themselves out, see who rises to the top, and then decide whether we want to deal with them or not. If we continue to meddle, the true leaders of their country's will never be revealed.

    No offense but a lot was said about how we held Basra compared to American occupations around the country. We were lucky enough to have officers who had experienced Northern Ireland during the troubles and knew how to handle that kind of situation. From my limited time in Baghdad and watching the Americans operate in Basra I thought that you reaped what you sowed, your commanders did not seem to know how to handle a hostile occupation in the correct manner.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Deadly violence continues to sweep Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    No offense but a lot was said about how we held Basra compared to American occupations around the country. We were lucky enough to have officers who had experienced Northern Ireland during the troubles and knew how to handle that kind of situation. From my limited time in Baghdad and watching the Americans operate in Basra I thought that you reaped what you sowed, your commanders did not seem to know how to handle a hostile occupation in the correct manner.
    I agree with you there. You guys are much more versed in COIN than we are. I would say we (US Marines) are better at it than our Army brethren are. I operated with Marines and Army my last tour in Iraq and the Army simply doesn't know how to get out of their armored vehicles and engage people (verbally engage lol). The Army has become so dependent upon supporting arms (air, arty, etc) that they don't know how to deal with a problem that can't be solved by overwhelming firepower. Marines do get a little aggressive with the populus as well though. They just do it on a face to face basis vice a bomb to face basis as the Army does. Either way, you're screwing it up when you get overly aggressive with the people you're trying to win over.
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    Re: Deadly violence continues to sweep Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    and Neville Chamberlain thought that he had secured peace in Europe and Hitler would not invade anymore countries, politicians talk tripe all day long! They are told what they need to know.
    Direct intelligence on a countries weapon capabilities and Nazi Germany's intentions to invade and continue expanding their territory are two different scenarios.


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    Re: Deadly violence continues to sweep Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Another anti-Iraq thread. Give it a rest man. We got it. Iraq was a mistake. We all know it, we all have acknowledged it, let's move on. How about a thread about why we shouldn't go into Syria?
    Already have many times.


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    Re: Deadly violence continues to sweep Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Already have many times.
    Link? I'd like to agree with you in that thread.
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