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Florida Boycott Resolution Proposed By Chris Holden, California Assemblymember .....

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Whether it did or not the jury PERCEIVED it to be pertinent enough to refer to Stand your ground in their deliberations. If the law didn't exist they would not anything to refer to.
It is impossible for you to say that Stand Your Ground did not apply in this case. The instant it was mentioned it came into play and effected the outcome. The defense chose not to use it outright but it became part of the trial when it was mentioned by the Judge in her instructions.

Since George Zimmerman didn't even try to stand his ground, it had nothing to do with this case at all...which, of course, is why the defense didn't use it.

This instruction got GZ acquitted:

JUSTIFIABLE HOMICIDE -- The killing of a human being is justifiable and lawful if necessarily done whileresisting an attempt to murder or commit a felony upon George Zimmerman, or to commit a felony in any dwelling house in which George Zimmerman was at the time of the attempted killing.

This one got him acquitted:

A person is justified in using deadly force if he reasonably believes that such force isnecessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself.

And, finally, this one got him acquitted:

JUSTIFIABLE USE OF DEADLY FORCE -- An issue in this case is whether George Zimmerman acted in self-defense. It is adefense to the crime of Second Degree Murder, and the lesser included offense of Manslaughter, if the death of Trayvon Martin resulted from the justifiable use of deadly force. “Deadly force” means force likely to cause death or great bodily harm.

A person is justified in using deadly force if he reasonably believes that such force isnecessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself.In deciding whether George Zimmerman was justified in the use of deadly force, youmust judge him by the circumstances by which he was surrounded at the time the force wasused. The danger facing George Zimmerman need not have been actual; however, to justifythe use of deadly force, the appearance of danger must have been so real that a reasonablycautious and prudent person under the same circumstances would have believed that thedanger could be avoided only through the use of that force. Based upon appearances, GeorgeZimmerman must have actually believed that the danger was real.If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in anyplace where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand hisground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it wasnecessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to preventthe commission of a forcible felony.In considering the issue of self-defense, you may take into account the relative physical abilities and capabilities of George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin.

In considering the issue of self-defense, you may take into account the relative physicalabilities and capacities of George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin.If in your consideration of the issue of self-defense you have a reasonable doubt on thequestion of whether George Zimmerman was justified in the use of deadly force, you shouldfind George Zimmerman not guilty.

Just as this part of the instruction had nothing to do with the verdict:

EXCUSABLE HOMICIDE -- The killing of a human being is excusable, and therefore lawful, under any one of thethree following circumstances:

1. When the killing is committed by accident and misfortune in doing any lawful actby lawful means with usual ordinary caution and without any unlawful intent, or

2. When the killing occurs by accident and misfortune in the heat of passion, uponany sudden and sufficient provocation, or

3. When the killing is committed by accident and misfortune resulting from a sudden combat, if a dangerous weapon is not used and the attempted killing is not done in a cruel and unusual manner.

Neither did the instruction re Stand Your Ground.

Your statement re Stand Your Ground causing the verdict is just as ridiculous as if you said, "OMG! OMG! They found him not guilty because they thought it was an accident."
 
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Since George Zimmerman didn't even try to stand his ground, it had nothing to do with this case at all...which, of course, is why the defense didn't use it.

This instruction got GZ acquitted:



This one got him acquitted:



And, finally, this one got him acquitted:



Just as this part of the instruction had nothing to do with the verdict:



Neither did the instruction re Stand Your Ground.

Your statement re Stand Your Ground causing the verdict is just as ridiculous as if you said, "OMG! OMG! They found him not guilty because they thought it was an accident."
No he was acquitted on the grounds of Stand Your Ground. The juror revealed that in the interview.
 
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No he was acquitted on the grounds of Stand Your Ground. The juror revealed that in the interview.

OMFG. You're impossible. You can't handle the truth.
 
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OMFG. You're impossible. You can't handle the truth.

You deny the words that have been said by the primary parties involved because it doesn't fit your agenda.
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... and then have the nerve to tell me I can't handle the truth ?
HA!
 
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No he was acquitted on the grounds of Stand Your Ground. The juror revealed that in the interview.

AYFKM? braindead.....
 
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If Florida is not your cup of tea because you dont have to "run away" or must take a beating, please dont come.
And if you do and anyone from here tries to help you, let them know that you are ok and dont argee with our stand your ground laws of self defense or the defense of others.
I will gladly not get involved and let you get killed in front of your family.
 
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No he was acquitted on the grounds of Stand Your Ground. The juror revealed that in the interview.

No, it was straight up self defense.
 
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No he was acquitted on the grounds of Stand Your Ground. The juror revealed that in the interview.

let's look at the FACTS:
A Florida judge questioned George Zimmerman today on his decision to waive a hearing under the state's "Stand Your Ground" law, which means that he is likely heading for a trial this summer in the shooting death of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin.

The pre-trial Stand Your Ground hearing would have given the judge the discretion to free Zimmerman, eliminating the need for a trial. But the validity of a Stand Your Ground defense would be determined solely by a judge. Zimmerman's defense team has decided to put their case before an entire jury.

"We'd much rather have the jury address the issue of criminal liability or lack thereof," Zimmerman's lawyer Mark O'Mara said.

Zimmerman's team hinted it might resurrect the Stand Your Ground immunity hearing during the trial, and it is possible even after it. ...
George Zimmerman Waives 'Stand Your Ground' Hearing and Heads to Trial - ABC News

notice that there was NO SYG hearing during the trial
nor was there one subsequent

you can insist otherwise, but the facts will prove you to be wrong
 
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Stand Your Ground was not mentioned during the trial but it was put in the heads of the jury at the end when the Judge charged the jury just before deliberation began. The jury spoke among themselves about the ramifications and implications that Stand Your Ground lent to their considerations and is largely why the man who committed homicide was acquitted.
Were it not for this law the jury would have needed to rely purely on a self defense claim for Zimmerman's acquittal .
Based on what the interviewed juror revealed on CNN Stand your Ground was instrumental in their decision.
You may not like it but THOSE are the facts.
 
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As far as this case is concerned, SYG is the same as every other state self defense law. Fear of grave harm and no opportunity to retreat.
 
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Quote directly from the Judges instructions to the jury:
If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in anyplace where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony

Quote directly from juror B37 in CNN interview:

JUROR: Right. Because of the heat of the moment and the Stand Your Ground. He had a right to defend himself. If he felt threatened that his life was going to be taken away from him or he was going to have bodily harm, he had a right.
COOPER: Even though he got out of the car, followed Trayvon Martin that didn’t matter in the deliberations. What mattered was the final seconds, minutes when there was an altercation and whether or not in your mind the most important thing was whether or not George Zimmerman felt his life was in danger?
JUROR: That’s how we read the law. That’s how we got to the point of everybody being not guilty.
Stand Your Ground is why Zimmerman walked.
You COULD say that Stand Your Ground did not have anything to do with why Zimmerman was acquitted ... But that assertion would not be consistent with the facts.
 
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California tried that when AZ was in the news over illegal immigration. Here a clue, AZ survived SB1070. It was also interesting that Oakland city council voted to boycott AZ. Then the police stated, hey council we have a large taser order with AZ. Guess what, the order went through.

So to all reps of California. I hereby boycott California. I will not buy anything on line from any company in CA, will not visit the State of California, until you decide that you are not the Federal Govt. Florida voters and their elected officials have a right to set their laws that do not conflict with Federal laws. California you should get your house in order first.

Think this helped me decide to visit Florida for a vacation.:mrgreen:
 
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Think this helped me decide to visit Florida for a vacation.
Just be sure you don't let anyone goad you into lifting a finger against them ...or you may find yourself the victim of justifiable homicide.
The trigger happy murdering cowboys have the law on their side in the crazy state of Flor-i-duh...
 
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As far as this case is concerned, SYG is the same as every other state self defense law. Fear of grave harm and no opportunity to retreat.
No. Stand Your ground states that there is no requirement to even attempt a retreat.
That's the difference.

Anyone who wants to murder you need only rile you up enough to get you to take a poke at them... at that point they have the law that says they can blow you away with a gun and walk away a free man.
 
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No. Stand Your ground states that there is no requirement to even attempt a retreat.
That's the difference.

Anyone who wants to murder you need only rile you up enough to get you to take a poke at them... at that point they have the law that says they can blow you away with a gun and walk away a free man.

I believe the point they are trying to make is Zimmerman had zero options to retreat once Martin was on top of him which means the whole concept of not needing to retreat is moot since he would have been unable to at the time he shot Martin. This is another problem with the justice system, even though they came down with the correct verdict they didn't even understand what they were discussing.
 
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A California lawmaker is calling on Golden State residents to think "think twice" before spending time and money in Florida after a jury's acquittal of neighborhood watchman George Zimmerman in the killing of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin.

Assemblymember Chris Holden (D-Pasadena), along with the California Legislative Black Caucus, announced plans Wednesday for a resolution calling for a boycott of Florida, which Holden said has a Stand Your Ground law that encourages vigilantism.

The calls for a Florida boycott by Holden and the Legislative Black Caucus add to a wave of anger that has grown since Zimmerman's acquittal Saturday. A day after the jury's verdict, singer Stevie Wonder told a crowd he wouldn't perform in Florida or any state with Stand Your Ground gun laws until they were repealed. Martin Luther King III suggested consumers boycott Florida orange juice.

A petition on the progressive site MoveOn.org calls for people to refrain from traveling to Florida until Stand Your Ground is repealed.....snip~

Florida Boycott Resolution Proposed By Chris Holden, California Assemblymember

So the politicians from another state are going to tell people to Boycott Florida. A vacation hot spot.....(also in competition with California over that industry). Do you think this Politician deserves to be re-elected? Shouldn't this individual be about representing the people of California? Why is she off into another states business? Why is the Black Caucus from another state allowed to interfere in another states Rights?

Just what is the Progressive site MoveOn.org.....trying to stir up in this country? Should they be telling people around the country not to go to Florida or States with Stand your Ground Laws?

This gets more ridiculous every day. SYG didn't even come into play. Zimmerman did nothing wrong. He killed his attacker.
 
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That the judge included Stand Your Ground in her charge to the jury and the jury subsequently discussed Stand Your Ground in their deliberations to acquit...
That makes it relevant to this particular case.
Do you have any idea how silly you sound asking that question?


You really don't understand how a charge to the jury works, do you?
 
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No. Stand Your ground states that there is no requirement to even attempt a retreat.
That's the difference.

Anyone who wants to murder you need only rile you up enough to get you to take a poke at them... at that point they have the law that says they can blow you away with a gun and walk away a free man.


Thus, a rational person would decide it best not to be taking "pokes" at people, huh?

Why do you think you get to take pokes at people? Why do you believe in bullyism and want to protect assailants?
 
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I believe the point they are trying to make is Zimmerman had zero options to retreat once Martin was on top of him which means the whole concept of not needing to retreat is moot since he would have been unable to at the time he shot Martin. This is another problem with the justice system, even though they came down with the correct verdict they didn't even understand what they were discussing.

Zimmerman did not have the option to retreat below the concrete for safety.
 
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No he was acquitted on the grounds of Stand Your Ground. The juror revealed that in the interview.

No they didn't. You're just making that up.

They gave 2 primary reasons:
1. GZ's head injuries
2. The lead investigator concluded that GZ had acted in self defense or there otherwise was not a case against him.
 
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No. Stand Your ground states that there is no requirement to even attempt a retreat.
That's the difference.

Anyone who wants to murder you need only rile you up enough to get you to take a poke at them... at that point they have the law that says they can blow you away with a gun and walk away a free man.

Nope. Wrong again.

And I love your choice of words!! Exactly opposite of pejorative language.

I'll bet when you total a guy's car, you call it a fender-bender.
 
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A California lawmaker is calling on Golden State residents to think "think twice" before spending time and money in Florida after a jury's acquittal of neighborhood watchman George Zimmerman in the killing of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin.

Assemblymember Chris Holden (D-Pasadena), along with the California Legislative Black Caucus, announced plans Wednesday for a resolution calling for a boycott of Florida, which Holden said has a Stand Your Ground law that encourages vigilantism.

The calls for a Florida boycott by Holden and the Legislative Black Caucus add to a wave of anger that has grown since Zimmerman's acquittal Saturday. A day after the jury's verdict, singer Stevie Wonder told a crowd he wouldn't perform in Florida or any state with Stand Your Ground gun laws until they were repealed. Martin Luther King III suggested consumers boycott Florida orange juice.

A petition on the progressive site MoveOn.org calls for people to refrain from traveling to Florida until Stand Your Ground is repealed.....snip~

Florida Boycott Resolution Proposed By Chris Holden, California Assemblymember

So the politicians from another state are going to tell people to Boycott Florida. A vacation hot spot.....(also in competition with California over that industry). Do you think this Politician deserves to be re-elected? Shouldn't this individual be about representing the people of California? Why is she off into another states business? Why is the Black Caucus from another state allowed to interfere in another states Rights?

Just what is the Progressive site MoveOn.org.....trying to stir up in this country? Should they be telling people around the country not to go to Florida or States with Stand your Ground Laws?

Have these progressive retards noticed that their boycotts don't work? if anything they have the opposite effect.
 
Re: Florida Boycott Resolution Proposed By Chris Holden, California Assemblymember ..

So the politicians from another state are going to tell people to Boycott Florida. A vacation hot spot.....(also in competition with California over that industry). Do you think this Politician deserves to be re-elected? Shouldn't this individual be about representing the people of California? Why is she off into another states business? Why is the Black Caucus from another state allowed to interfere in another states Rights?

Just what is the Progressive site MoveOn.org.....trying to stir up in this country? Should they be telling people around the country not to go to Florida or States with Stand your Ground Laws?

I have no problem with a politician voicing his/her opinion about a trial, however, when they do so in the official capacity of the government I think that is quite unprofessional. Especially in this case when a legitimate trial and a legitimate jury found Zimmerman Not Guilty. This is just sour grapes from some very idiotic people.
 
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Have these progressive retards noticed that their boycotts don't work? if anything they have the opposite effect.

While it is ok for people to boycott, it's just as silly as people boycotting businesses for saying "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas". I do believe boycotting an entire state though is raising the bar on idiocracy.
 
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