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    Re: Florida Boycott Resolution Proposed By Chris Holden, California Assemblymember ..

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I don't think SYG was a factor whatsoever and just because it was part of half a sentence in the jury charge doesn't change that. The comments by jurors made it clear they looked at the case rather directly and simply. Zimmerman was under serious physical attack. The photos of the injury confirmed this and those photos were commented on in why the jury reached the decision it did. There were also comments that the lead investigator for the police concluding himself it was self defense also was commented on. In short, the jury concluded GZ was under serious physical attack and shot in self defense during the violent assault of him. When someone is on the ground with another person on top, there is no opportunity to retreat - so claiming SYG was relevant is just nonsensical.
    Listen to yourself ... Stand Your Ground was included in the judges charge to the jury and the jury discussed Stand Your Ground specifically in their deliberations... but you don't THINK SYG was a factor whatsoever?
    Nonsensical? Yeah that's you...

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    Re: Florida Boycott Resolution Proposed By Chris Holden, California Assemblymember ..

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Please explain how the jury used "stand your ground" to find Zimmerman not guilty. As you know, stand your ground refers to not having a duty to retreat after violence (or the threat of violence) ensues. I don't care what the juror said. Explain its relevance in this particular case. Zimmerman did not use the stand your ground defense.

    Use your head.
    No you use your head. The judge referred to it specifically when charging the jury and the jury referred to it when deliberating their decision to acquit.It was centeral to the jury. The defense lawyers didn't mention it that's all.

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    Re: Florida Boycott Resolution Proposed By Chris Holden, California Assemblymember ..

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    No you use your head. The judge referred to it specifically when charging the jury and the jury referred to it when deliberating their decision to acquit.It was centeral to the jury. The defense lawyers didn't mention it that's all.
    So, in other words, you are dodging my question. Answer the damned question:

    Please explain how the jury used "stand your ground" to find Zimmerman not guilty. As you know, stand your ground refers to not having a duty to retreat after violence (or the threat of violence) ensues. I don't care what the juror said. Explain its relevance in this particular case.
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    Re: Florida Boycott Resolution Proposed By Chris Holden, California Assemblymember ..

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Listen to yourself ... Stand Your Ground was included in the judges charge to the jury and the jury discussed Stand Your Ground specifically in their deliberations... but you don't THINK SYG was a factor whatsoever?
    Nonsensical? Yeah that's you...
    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    No you use your head. The judge referred to it specifically when charging the jury and the jury referred to it when deliberating their decision to acquit.It was centeral to the jury. The defense lawyers didn't mention it that's all.
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    So, in other words, you are dodging my question. Answer the damned question:
    Please explain how the jury used "stand your ground" to find Zimmerman not guilty. As you know, stand your ground refers to not having a duty to retreat after violence (or the threat of violence) ensues. I don't care what the juror said. Explain its relevance in this particular case.
    I haven't so clearly left a DPer speechless in a long time.

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    Re: Florida Boycott Resolution Proposed By Chris Holden, California Assemblymember ..

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I think its freaking rediculous that Holder is trying to go after Zimmerman for "civil rights violations". To include this....I don't think there's an appropriate word for it. People need to get a freaking grip.
    Its a joke.....this Assembleywoman from California doesn't know to much about the case and yet she is off and out into the Public speaking on the matter. I don't care how much TV she watched. She has no Right to be out in the public trying to influence people to believe there was something wrong with the outcome of the Law in another state.

    Florida's Laws don't affect those in California, unless they own some property or some business down in Florida. So why is there comments coming from Pols all over the Country.

    If they got a problem with things. take their asses and moved down to Florida and then talk about changing their Laws. After they have lived there to know what the hell is going on.

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    Re: Florida Boycott Resolution Proposed By Chris Holden, California Assemblymember ..

    I don't care what the juror said. Explain its relevance in this particular case.
    That the judge included Stand Your Ground in her charge to the jury and the jury subsequently discussed Stand Your Ground in their deliberations to acquit...
    That makes it relevant to this particular case.
    Do you have any idea how silly you sound asking that question?
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    Re: Florida Boycott Resolution Proposed By Chris Holden, California Assemblymember ..

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    A California lawmaker is calling on Golden State residents to think "think twice" before spending time and money in Florida after a jury's acquittal of neighborhood watchman George Zimmerman in the killing of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin.
    I felt a great wrong was done in the acquittal of Zimmerman. However, I am not lending my support to any boycott of Florida.

    We usually spend a week in the Keys every winter and we have no plans to change this now. Florida is filled with great people, great businesses and is a wonderful place to visit. I do not think it is fair to try and hurt people who had nothing to do with the law which helped produce the verdict in this case.

    Come February, we expect to be dining oceanside in the Keys. And in the meantime, I will continue to criticize what I believe is a bad law and a bad decision.
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    Re: Florida Boycott Resolution Proposed By Chris Holden, California Assemblymember ..

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I felt a great wrong was done in the acquittal of Zimmerman. However, I am not lending my support to any boycott of Florida.

    We usually spend a week in the Keys every winter and we have no plans to change this now. Florida is filled with great people, great businesses and is a wonderful place to visit. I do not think it is fair to try and hurt people who had nothing to do with the law which helped produce the verdict in this case.

    Come February, we expect to be dining oceanside in the Keys. And in the meantime, I will continue to criticize what I believe is a bad law and a bad decision.
    Depending on how you want to believe the evidence in the case, not sure where someone who was legally carrying a gun would be convicted using it in the situation Zimmerman was in.

    I am somewhat surprised in your reaction to the verdict. I understand you to be civic minded. Zimmerman was on community watch, which I would not do because of the danger. he was willing to follow someone, who could ( and did) clearly beat the s*** out of him. If you want to say that he should have waited until his skull was broken or he was beaten to death before pulling his weapon, I just don't understand that. I do not have any type of weapon and never have so please don't go down the NRA meme.

    If he were not killed the Martin person could/ should have been arrested for assault. My sense is that was the only crime committed that sad night.

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    Re: Florida Boycott Resolution Proposed By Chris Holden, California Assemblymember ..

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    I looked into moving to Asheville once. Sometimes, I wish I had. Very artsy, and very seasonal.
    I live in Asheville. For me, it's the sweet spot. You get a little bit of every season, but not too much of any one. I've lived in south carolina where it gets balls hot in the summer and I grew up in Wisconsin where the opposite happens. It's nice to have a little winter, and a decent summer. Falls are beautiful. I'm not artsy at all, so Asheville's artistic reputation isn't important to me. It's just a great climate, beautiful scenery, traffic isn't bad at all. It's a city, but it doesn't overwhelm you. And nature is all around you. The city didn't overtake it's natural surroundings. Most people that live in Asheville aren't from Asheville, so it's a hodgepodge of people from different places, and most everybody is friendly. The only unfriendly people are usually some of the anti-tourist punks. Just drugged up kids who think people coming here to see the city is somehow offensive. But the worst they do is yell at people to go home, or flip off the tourist buses. It's not like they go around mugging tourists.
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    Re: Florida Boycott Resolution Proposed By Chris Holden, California Assemblymember ..

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I felt a great wrong was done in the acquittal of Zimmerman. However, I am not lending my support to any boycott of Florida.

    We usually spend a week in the Keys every winter and we have no plans to change this now. Florida is filled with great people, great businesses and is a wonderful place to visit. I do not think it is fair to try and hurt people who had nothing to do with the law which helped produce the verdict in this case.

    Come February, we expect to be dining oceanside in the Keys. And in the meantime, I will continue to criticize what I believe is a bad law and a bad decision.
    I would Disagree with you HM on the Zimmermann case. Agree with you about Florida.

    My concern is all these Loud Mouth Politicians that want to throw themselves up into the mix. Act like the problem is theirs and they can Identify. Which is a crock of ****. They were elected to SERVE their People and their states. Not Florida not any issues coming out of Florida that doesn't affect their state.

    They need to be made to pay the price. Both the Media and any of the Pols, Race baiters Sharptones and Jesse Jackson the Wannabe Gangbanger that found Jesus when he was getting his ass kicked. No need to allow them to run around the Country cause chaos and turmoil over their own personal feelings.

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