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    Re: Greenwald: Snowden has enough information to cause US govt ‘worst damage in histo

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    I think a distinction needs to be made between America (the people), American gov't, and individuals in that gov't.

    Personally, while wishing Snowden no harm, it would be the best thing that could happen for the American people and the people in other countries that have been systematically victimized by US meddling in their economies, leadership and resources in the name of "American Interests" (ie: business)

    btw, you know that RT is Russian Television... right?
    We're not as divided from each other as you're trying to suggest - if it affects our government it affects everyone.

    Ah - you know what, I'd rather not find out . . . my husband's military - we are government AND the people.
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    Re: Greenwald: Snowden has enough information to cause US govt ‘worst damage in histo

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    We're not as divided from each other as you're trying to suggest - if it affects our government it affects everyone.

    Ah - you know what, I'd rather not find out . . . my husband's military - we are government AND the people.
    I don't think so with so much secret activity going on. However I understand your psychological desire not to know with having a husband in the military. I think that adds an extra difficulty as obviously he is trained to believe everything he does is in good faith. It is possibly more difficult to look at things because it takes more reorientation. (none of this said to offend!!)
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    Re: Greenwald: Snowden has enough information to cause US govt ‘worst damage in histo

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    I don't think so with so much secret activity going on. However I understand your psychological desire not to know with having a husband in the military. I think that adds an extra difficulty as obviously he is trained to believe everything he does is in good faith. It is possibly more difficult to look at things because it takes more reorientation. (none of this said to offend!!)
    It's more like 'you're contractually obligated, now, even if we don't believe everything we're told to do is in good faith these days' . . . don't be narrow minded. He joined the military 20 years ago - the US was very different back then.

    But still - it's impossible to have something negatively impact our government and NOT somehow negatively impact citizens. We are not two different entities - we rely on each other and the citizens empower the government. When the government screws up - it's everyone's fault. Citizens bear the brunt of responsibility because we elect our leaders and can push to recall them from office if we so desire.

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    Re: Greenwald: Snowden has enough information to cause US govt ‘worst damage in histo

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    But still - it's impossible to have something negatively impact our government and NOT somehow negatively impact citizens.
    I don't think the whistleblowing negatively impacts the citizens or even the govt. By exposing these unconstitutional programs, we have an opportunity to bring about reform and ensure government remains representative of the people.
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    Re: Greenwald: Snowden has enough information to cause US govt ‘worst damage in histo

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    He has a huge number of documents that would be very harmful to the US government if they were made public,” Greenwald said. He added that Washington should be exercising care in dealing with the Snowden because he has the potential to do further damage to the US. “The US government should be on its knees every day begging that nothing happen to Snowden, because if something does happen to him, all the information will be revealed and it could be its worst nightmare,” he said. Greenwald said that “the most important thing [for Snowden] is not to end up in US custody,” describing the government's approach to people who reveal uncomfortable truths as “vindictive.” When asked whether he believed that someone would attempt to harm or kill the whistleblower, he said that Snowden has “already distributed thousands of documents and made sure that several people around the world have their entire file,” stating that it would be beneficial for anyone to attempt assassination. He added that the US should be praying that no one would attempt to take Snowden's life. “If something happens, all the information will be revealed, and that would be [America's] worst nightmare,” he said.

    Greenwald: Snowden has enough information to cause US govt ?worst damage in history? ? RT News
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    Re: Greenwald: Snowden has enough information to cause US govt ‘worst damage in histo

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    We're not as divided from each other as you're trying to suggest - if it affects our government it affects everyone.

    Ah - you know what, I'd rather not find out . . . my husband's military - we are government AND the people.
    The thing that needs to be remembered about those from outside our country that proclaim they really love America, its the government that they don't like, is that what they really mean is that they think the Grand Canyon is cool, but everything else sucks. And those on the Far Right and the Far Left in this country ally themselves with that sentiment.
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    Re: Greenwald: Snowden has enough information to cause US govt ‘worst damage in histo

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    I don't think so with so much secret activity going on. However I understand your psychological desire not to know with having a husband in the military. I think that adds an extra difficulty as obviously he is trained to believe everything he does is in good faith. It is possibly more difficult to look at things because it takes more reorientation. (none of this said to offend!!)
    You reveal your ignorance of this country with every post you make. You don't understand anything about us, so just stop pretending that you do.
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    Re: Greenwald: Snowden has enough information to cause US govt ‘worst damage in histo

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    It's more like 'you're contractually obligated, now, even if we don't believe everything we're told to do is in good faith these days' . . . don't be narrow minded. He joined the military 20 years ago - the US was very different back then.

    But still - it's impossible to have something negatively impact our government and NOT somehow negatively impact citizens. We are not two different entities - we rely on each other and the citizens empower the government. When the government screws up - it's everyone's fault. Citizens bear the brunt of responsibility because we elect our leaders and can push to recall them from office if we so desire.

    Trying to sever yourself from the government is foolhardy.
    Not sure about that. The UK is up to quite a lot of the same as the US and it does not negatively impact me one bit personally - not least because I have not been happy with how we have been changing anyway.

    You describe Government and people as it should be not as it is. I cannot for instance understand how democrats are not concerned about what Obama has been doing and even laugh when he talks of drone strikes which are destroying lives, not only physically but psychologically too as they fly in the sky day and night and people never know when they will strike and who they will kill. I just don't get it. It seems to be something about having voted for him so having to go along with what he says.

    You know that the neo cons thought in the 60's that democracy was not such a good thing and decided it could be tamed by religion, nationalism fed by perpetual war with Americans the good guy and the other the evil. I'd say they have been quite successful. 9/11 allowed for restrictions on speech and journalism - now I don't know all the details of that but that is what I have been hearing. The reality that a journalist himself felt that Glen Greenwald should be arrested for disclosing Snowden's files is surely alarming. When you don't have information you cannot come to the correct conclusions so I do not see this being the blame of people who did not have the right information to come to the right conclusions.

    I think it is far harder for the US than for other countries like the UK, France and Germany who do not have their hands clean either and I think this is going to have a massive effect - which I think is seriously needed. In the end how the US will come out will show what the people are made of. What is done when they do not know because of virtually being a secret state cannot be their blame.

    (PS I wasn't being narrow minded, I was trying to be diplomatic!
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    Re: Greenwald: Snowden has enough information to cause US govt ‘worst damage in histo

    If secret information can destroy the USA's government, it raises the question of whether the government is worth protecting.

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    Re: Greenwald: Snowden has enough information to cause US govt ‘worst damage in histo

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    I don't think the whistleblowing negatively impacts the citizens or even the govt. By exposing these unconstitutional programs, we have an opportunity to bring about reform and ensure government remains representative of the people.
    Whistleblowing isn't what we're discussing here, though - I have no problem with someone revealing details of something that is being done to the people - without our knowledge or consent - that shouldn't be done.

    That's not the concern being raised, now.
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