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    Re: Reid confident he has the votes to trigger nuclear option in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Why should the Senate be so interested in assisting a failed President to fast-track nominees to promote even more failed administration policies?

    In a practical sense, I don't believe this will harm Republicans at all - Democrats will be forever seen as the party that couldn't develop consensus in the Senate and it wouldn't surprise me if the Republicans benefit in the Senate in the 2014 mid-terms.
    Funny but I see it as Republicans failing to compromise and blocking all Govt. business as the problem. The War on women and failure at immigration reform will bring out a lot of females and minorities in 2014 too and they won't vote Republican.

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    Re: Reid confident he has the votes to trigger nuclear option in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Funny but I see it as Republicans failing to compromise and blocking all Govt. business as the problem. The War on women and failure at immigration reform will bring out a lot of females and minorities in 2014 too and they won't vote Republican.
    You seriously think that Republicans holding far left nominees of Obama, similar to Democrats holding far right nominees from Bush, will be seen by any significant number of people as a "war on women"? On what planet?

    If anything, it proves that Harry Reid is an abysmal leader in the Senate, unable to get business done and unable to gain consensus approaches to the business of the country. The only person worse at leadership is Obama. The bull-headed "I'm in charge, I hold the crown" approach to governance never gets anywhere. Thankfully, a fully disfunctional Senate, unable to do the bidding of a fully disasterous President, is great news for the country on the whole. The less they accomplish, the better for all concerned.
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    Re: Reid confident he has the votes to trigger nuclear option in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    You seriously think that Republicans holding far left nominees of Obama, similar to Democrats holding far right nominees from Bush, will be seen by any significant number of people as a "war on women"? On what planet?

    If anything, it proves that Harry Reid is an abysmal leader in the Senate, unable to get business done and unable to gain consensus approaches to the business of the country. The only person worse at leadership is Obama. The bull-headed "I'm in charge, I hold the crown" approach to governance never gets anywhere. Thankfully, a fully disfunctional Senate, unable to do the bidding of a fully disasterous President, is great news for the country on the whole. The less they accomplish, the better for all concerned.
    Right and Boner suppressing votes is not "the bull-headed "I'm in charge, I hold the crown" approach"? At least Reid has the President on his side so he DOES hold the KEY to anything Obama might sign. You see it's all for naught without that.
    And back to the subject ,the dysfunction you adore is another reason why voters do not like Congress and give the Republican House all time lows in approval. Thanks for pointing out that it is Republicans that are causing it. Because they can and they also want Govt. to be dysfunctional.
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    Re: Reid confident he has the votes to trigger nuclear option in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Right and Boner suppressing votes is not "the bull-headed "I'm in charge, I hold the crown" approach"? At least Reid has the President on his side so he DOES hold the KEY to anything Obama might sign. You see it's all for naught without that.
    And back to the subject ,the dysfunction you adore is another reason why voters do not like Congress and give the Republican House all time lows in approval. Thanks for pointing out that it is Republicans that are causing it. Because they can and they also want Govt. to be dysfunctional.
    It wouldn't play into your agenda to talk about the Senate as dysfunctional, holding up House bills and the business of the country, would it?
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    Re: Reid confident he has the votes to trigger nuclear option in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    It wouldn't play into your agenda to talk about the Senate as dysfunctional, holding up House bills and the business of the country, would it?
    The dysfunction comes from an imploding political party that has lost its compass and it's initials are GOP. Where have you been?

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    Re: Reid confident he has the votes to trigger nuclear option in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    You seriously think that Republicans holding far left nominees of Obama, similar to Democrats holding far right nominees from Bush, will be seen by any significant number of people as a "war on women"? On what planet?
    Saying that Obama is considered "far left" which in reality is a centrist moderate democrat these days... Yes...


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    Re: Reid confident he has the votes to trigger nuclear option in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Saying that Obama is considered "far left" which in reality is a centrist moderate democrat these days... Yes...
    I didn't say anything about Obama's leanings - in fact, one could argue that Obama is invisible and simply jumps in front of a moving trend whenever he sees the end in sight. I was referring to his nominees, many of which are indeed from the far left of politics, law, and labor.
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    Re: Reid confident he has the votes to trigger nuclear option in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I didn't say anything about Obama's leanings - in fact, one could argue that Obama is invisible and simply jumps in front of a moving trend whenever he sees the end in sight. I was referring to his nominees, many of which are indeed from the far left of politics, law, and labor.
    Which of his current nominees do you think is to the far left of politics, law, and labor?

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    Re: Reid confident he has the votes to trigger nuclear option in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yes.. I think a lot of the Senate rules are inherently just idiotic and slow down an efficient democracy.
    That's only because you don't understand how the Senate works, and your term "efficient" is so broad to be useless.
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    Re: Reid confident he has the votes to trigger nuclear option in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Which of his current nominees do you think is to the far left of politics, law, and labor?
    The simple answer would be the current two nominees to the National Labor Relations Board whom Obama illegally appointed before the last election, claiming the Senate was in recess. Obama now wants them formally confirmed. Obama is paying the price for acting illegally, like a dictator, in appointing these two NLRB members while the Senate was legally sitting and the courts have slapped him down for it. Obama's other three nominees currently before the Senate are being approved by Republicans but they are not going to let Obama off the hook on the other two, and rightly so. Obama chose to disrespect Republicans in the Senate and so Republicans in the Senate are now telling him to go **** himself.
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