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    Re: GOP bill would defund schools with rules against playing with imaginary guns

    I'm in favor of dropping much of this zero tolerance policy nonsense, especially for stuff that couldn't possibly be considered a crime like a kindergartener holding up a chicken finger and going "pow pow", but this is overkill. The bill is draconian, and this really is something at the very most should be dealt with at the state or county level, and better if we could get the local district itself to see the light.

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    Re: GOP bill would defund schools with rules against playing with imaginary guns

    Trying to control kids to that extent is taking things way too far. Let them play however they like so long as no one actually gets hurt. And even then, I mean more than scrapes and bruises.
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    Re: GOP bill would defund schools with rules against playing with imaginary guns

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So the answer is defund the schools hurting the kids education?
    Allowing schools to go so far overboard with these kind of policies is already hurting education. Schools need to be in the business of education, not brainwashing and indoctrination.

    The most drastic plausible result of the policy proposed here would be to drive out of business those schools that indoctrinate and brainwash instead of educate. This is certainly a better result than allowing such schools to continue to operate in their current manner.
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    Re: GOP bill would defund schools with rules against playing with imaginary guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Trying to control kids to that extent is taking things way too far. Let them play however they like so long as no one actually gets hurt. And even then, I mean more than scrapes and bruises.
    Thats the problem with these rules, it has absolutely nothing to do with kids' safety. Its a conditioning tactic. As far as guns, that should be something left to the desires of the parents. If you're not OK with your kids playing cops and robbers or GI Joe or whatever, thats fine. If you are, thats fine too.

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    Re: GOP bill would defund schools with rules against playing with imaginary guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Heh, trust me the schools will change their policy FAST before risking their funding. They live and breathe for Fed funding.
    Not unless it is a politically viable policy. As it is not, they won't fear it, and will only laugh at it, if they catch wind of it at all.
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    Re: GOP bill would defund schools with rules against playing with imaginary guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    I'm split. On the one hand, I think those zero tolerance policies are really stupid. On the other hand, I don't think the Federal Government should be often dictating policy to local schools. And while I'm sure any school who had a zero tolerance policy would change it in light of this bill if it were passed, on the off chance that one did not defunding is an excessive punishment.
    Exactly! The federal gov't should not be funding any "local" schools, ever. What federal constituional power is the Education Department based on? If you think that the federal gov't should have no control over local schools, then why should the federal gov't (i.e. all taxpayers) have any reason to fund them? Why should a taxpayer in TX or CA be forced to fund a "local" school in LA or MI?
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    Re: GOP bill would defund schools with rules against playing with imaginary guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Thats the problem with these rules, it has absolutely nothing to do with kids' safety. Its a conditioning tactic. As far as guns, that should be something left to the desires of the parents. If you're not OK with your kids playing cops and robbers or GI Joe or whatever, thats fine. If you are, thats fine too.
    Kids playing a game has really nothing to do at all with actual violence. That's the thing that so many (unfortunately mostly on my side of the aisle) don't get. But falsely equating pretend with reality is also why some fools act like video games or movies or TV make people violent.
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    Re: GOP bill would defund schools with rules against playing with imaginary guns

    Grandstanding, but grandstanding I support. These schools are public, and their often-ridiculous "zero-tolerance" policies are an impediment to the education and freedom of children. There is no doubt in my mind that these policies have gotten out of hand.

    In fact, I have a personal anecdote. In high school one of my oldest friends, then a sophomore, went to school wearing a black shirt with a spoon on it and the caption "Cereal Killer" on it. She was nearly suspended for two weeks.

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    Re: GOP bill would defund schools with rules against playing with imaginary guns

    Yes, let's punish the children because the administration has stupid rules.

    "Zero tolerance" rules are really just about zero thinking, zero responsibility, and zero liability. They're stupid. But stupid measures taken in response to stupid measures doesn't help.
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    Re: GOP bill would defund schools with rules against playing with imaginary guns

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Ok so i think those "zero tolerance" rules are a bit drastic when it comes to "playing" with imaginary guns but i also think this bill is also a bit drastic supporting defunding of these schools that have these rules.





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