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    Re: Sarah Palin considering Senate Run

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    "Us" being Democrats, and not the people of the USA.
    Discrediting tea party republicans is good for the whole country, not just democrats.

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    Re: Sarah Palin considering Senate Run

    If she can figure out a`way of turning it into some serious cash, she'll run ... it won't cost her anything to run because she's been milking cons of their cash for over five years now and they'll pay for her campaign ... the woman is a cash hound ... SHOW ME DA MONEY!!!

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    Re: Sarah Palin considering Senate Run

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya CJ Actually I think Sarah just wanted to make the sweat break out Begbitch and Good OL Harry's Foreheads. Especially with those Demo Senators seats ready to fall off the edge. You know.....the reason Obama is pulling back on his signature legislation. So they at least have a chance to hold their seats.
    Good evening MMC

    The Democrats are in trouble in the Senate - there only hope is if the Republicans primary out electable candidates.
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    Re: Sarah Palin considering Senate Run

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Rocket Imagine that .....and here we said the same thing about Obama as a Illinois State Senator. Talk about one of the most useless Illinois Politicians that had ever come along. Even the Democrats around here didn't have much to do with him.

    Course when looking at Illinois.....we never underestimate the sheer dumbness of our Voters. Especially in Chicago.
    Or maybe because here in IL the voters' only choices between are crook A and crook B
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    Re: Sarah Palin considering Senate Run

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Good evening MMC

    The Democrats are in trouble in the Senate - there only hope is if the Republicans primary out electable candidates.
    care to share your oppinion as to why the democrats are in trouble in the senate?

    i started a thread a while back on the topic in case you want to discuss it: http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-ele...post1062036814

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    Re: Sarah Palin considering Senate Run

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    When a politician moves to a higher office, that's one thing. They do that all the time. When they quit to be on TV, that's different...

    I know the line about the left-wing attack machine, but I don't buy it. Other politicians are routinely attacked by the other side. Think there's no frivolous right-wing lawsuits against Obama? Of course there are. What would you be saying if he resigned the Presidency to be a highly paid lobbyist? It was a BS political reason.

    It's not like getting elected to Senate is a place to keep a low profile either. She couldn't take the heat of a high national profile, yet she craves the spotlight of it.
    Why would running for a higher office, without resigning first, give you more comfort than resigning to pursue another course in life? You must have a pretty high opinion of politicians - I generally think they're mostly as self-centered and egotistical as pretty much any successful person. The difference for me is that I'd rather see someone seeking higher office from a current office to resign their current seat and run, not hold onto their seat, use the perks of that office, the comfort of that fallback position, and if they lose just slink back into the position they held.

    Doesn't matter to me what party it is - I have the same criticism of McCain, when he ran for President, Governor Perry, when he ran for the nomination, etc. etc. Why should the American people keep giving you a salary to perform particular duties in an office you hold while you snub your nose at the people who voted you in and run for an office you think is more worthy of your time?
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    Re: Sarah Palin considering Senate Run

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    no i think rod blagoivitch fits the role of dumbest politicians from illinois.
    Man, you got that right!! He was crooked AND stupid. But IL has always had crooked politics dating back to the days when we were just a territory. If nothing else, we are consistent.
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    Re: Sarah Palin considering Senate Run

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    care to share your oppinion as to why the democrats are in trouble in the senate?

    i started a thread a while back on the topic in case you want to discuss it: http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-ele...post1062036814
    1. Obama's not on the ballot

    2. 21 Democrats and 14 Republican seats being contested

    3. 6 Democrat incumbents are retiring, several in red states, against only 2 Republicans, in red states

    4. Several Democrat incumbents are in states that voted for Romney/McCain

    5. Like in 2010, the American public will likely be in a mood to send Washington, the White House, and incumbents a serious message.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: Sarah Palin considering Senate Run

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    1. Obama's not on the ballot

    2. 21 Democrats and 14 Republican seats being contested

    3. 6 Democrat incumbents are retiring, several in red states, against only 2 Republicans, in red states

    4. Several Democrat incumbents are in states that voted for Romney/McCain

    5. Like in 2010, the American public will likely be in a mood to send Washington, the White House, and incumbents a serious message.
    I agree with most of those. I still think the Democrats have a slight edge in holding on since the GOP needs to flip six seats, but it certainly is possible for the Republicans to take it.
    There should be Instant Runoff Voting

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    Re: Sarah Palin considering Senate Run

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    Or maybe because here in IL the voters' only choices between are crook A and crook B
    That's why it's just the question of which outfit. Despite being all on the same team.

    The Capone syndicate became the intermediaries between City Hall and the underworld,” says Lombardo. “That money [from organized crime] was used to fund the Cook County Democratic Party all the way up to the time of Richard J. Daley, [who] did not cooperate at all with the Mob, though he didn’t move against it, either.”

    The machine retooled. Corruption continued to thrive locally, in part because the Democratic machine proved remarkably adaptable. “The constituents of the machine have changed,” says Merriner. “It used to be city and county payrollers and organized labor.” But the Shakman decrees curbed patronage, and the nature of politics changed. Being able to field a large army of precinct workers to get out the vote became less important than funding political campaigns to get out the message. “If you look at the contributors to Richard M. Daley, it’s lawyers and accountants and developers,” says Merriner. “They are the undergirders of the machine.”

    Of course, most generous donors don’t give merely out of purity of heart. “Those large sums of money from all kinds of special interests—they’re invested for a purpose,” says Adlai Stevenson III, the former U.S. senator and two-time unsuccessful candidate for governor of Illinois. “Who’s going to invest in an honest politician?” Many donors expect to be rewarded with lucrative contracts, changes in policies that favor their interests, or other politically directed largesse. Until last year, Illinois was one of just a handful of states with almost no limits on campaign contributions, creating “tremendous potential for legalized bribery,” says Steger. Critics of the campaign finance reform passed last year by the General Assembly say Illinois remains the Wild West of campaign finance.

    It’s all in the family. The Daleys are the most visible example of another characteristic of local government: It’s a family business (with friends welcome, too). Just as the Flying Wallendas have their high wire, the Daleys have their government positions—as do the Strogers and the Madigans and the Hyneses. But it’s not just the dynasties for which public office has become a birthright. “I’m talking about the people whose grandfathers were precinct captains, and now they’re precinct captains,” says Dominic Pacyga, a political science professor at Columbia College. “The father worked for the waterworks; now his kids work for the waterworks; and his grandchildren are getting ready to work for the waterworks—or the fire department or the police department. So you get these families that have controlled large swaths of the city for a long time. It reaches way down deep into the political system, and it maintains itself. When you’re in power for so long, the downside of this autocracy is corruption and a system that begins to fail the people.”

    Complexity is the devil’s handiwork. Owing to historical factors, Illinois developed a labyrinthine governmental structure that offered fertile ground in which corruption could sprout. The Illinois constitution of 1870, in effect until 1970, limited the amount of debt counties and municipalities could carry and taxes they could levy. When cities needed to fund improvements, they got around those constraints by creating new units of government with the capacity to borrow—a library district, for example, would be created to build and administer a new library. “The 1870 constitution almost forced you into multiple units of government if you were going to deliver services beyond your municipality or modernize your municipality,” says Redfield. Today the state contains almost 7,000 separate governmental fiefs—far more than any other state—ranging from counties, towns, and school and fire districts to water reclamation and mosquito abatement districts. Most have budgets to protect and authority to wield. “It’s very hard to stay on top of it all, and it creates many more opportunities for patronage,” says Cindi Canary. “It creates ways for small islands of graft and corruption to stay hidden.”

    The target is soft. Money seems to be at the root of almost every public corruption scandal that bursts into the news. And despite some minor tweaks to campaign finance and ethics laws, Illinois remains a place where campaign contributions can serve as legal graft and politicians still operate brazenly under troubling conflicts of interest. Despite the incremental ethics reforms, “we [still] have very, very weak to nonexistent disclosure and conflict-of-interest laws,” says Don Rose. And the resulting clouted contracts and conflicts of interest “would be called corruption by most definitions, except that it’s quite legal here,” he adds. Meanwhile, state and local prosecutors continue to lack important tools that their counterparts in most other states have, including the ability to deploy hidden listening devices in corruption investigations.

    In short, the system allows wide latitude for misbehavior and misconduct with little threat of accountability. “If you’re a burglar and there’s a fancy house with its door wide open and nobody is around, it’s a lot easier [to rob it] than if there’s a security fence and bars on the window,” says Gary MacDougal. Think of Illinois as that vulnerable house—its doors ajar and no one keeping watch over the loot.

    The hen house is guarded—by wolves. Where are the public servants leading the charge to tighten this loose and leaky system? If such leaders exist, their voices are muffled. In Illinois, a handful of autocrats wield enormous power and brook little dissent. “States with strong political party organizations—like Illinois, New Jersey, and New York—have long resisted political reforms that would create transparency and limit the power of incumbents to get reelected,” says DePaul’s Steger.

    When he wasn’t bulldozing Meigs Field, Mayor Daley was routinely steamrolling the Chicago City Council. And Mike Madigan, the longtime speaker of the Illinois House of Representatives, has exerted an iron grip on the state Democratic Party and legislative process. Under the state’s legislative rules, no bill can make it to the floor of the House without the speaker’s OK or to the floor of the Senate without approval from that chamber’s president. This centralized authority “enables party leaders to reward loyalists and penalize dissidents,” Steger says, adding that it also allows party leaders to “have a veto over any reforms that might weaken the party control over government.”.....snip~

    Why Is Illinois So Corrupt?
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