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Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

davidtaylorjr said:
You are equating someone speaking out against open sin with wanting to stone that person. That is taking out of context. It's not the same.
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Stoning was a form of punishment for a perceived sin, just as you wish to punish homosexuals for what you see as a sin. That is what Jesus stopped. He was talking to two different people when he said each, "Let those without sin..." and "Go and sin no more". Unless you think he would have allowed the woman to be stoned later on if she was caught "sinning" again, then you cannot claim that one is connected to the other. Plus, Jesus didn't say anything about homosexuality being a sin. And since he would not know what was going to be put into the Bible (that whole "free will" thing), then you can't say that God or Jesus believe that homosexuality is a sin.
 
roguenuke said:
Stoning was a form of punishment for a perceived sin, just as you wish to punish homosexuals for what you see as a sin. That is what Jesus stopped. He was talking to two different people when he said each, "Let those without sin..." and "Go and sin no more". Unless you think he would have allowed the woman to be stoned later on if she was caught "sinning" again, then you cannot claim that one is connected to the other. Plus, Jesus didn't say anything about homosexuality being a sin. And since he would not know what was going to be put into the Bible (that whole "free will" thing), then you can't say that God or Jesus believe that homosexuality is a sin.
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Except Jesus/God/Holy Spirit wrote the Bible through Divine Inspiration, so actually He did know what was and would be included. :shrug:
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Except Jesus/God/Holy Spirit wrote the Bible through Divine Inspiration, so actually He did know what was and would be included. :shrug:
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So, Jesus not having mentioned homosexuality was not an inadvertent omission, but was a part of the divine plan. What does that tell you about the subject that started this thread?
 
Dittohead not! said:
So, Jesus not having mentioned homosexuality was not an inadvertent omission, but was a part of the divine plan. What does that tell you about the subject that started this thread?
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Actually that is a pretty big spin. The Bible also says that not all of Jesus quotes were recorded. That being said, he did not have to list every sin in his words, it was not necessary seeing as it is in other passages clearly.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Actually that is a pretty big spin. The Bible also says that not all of Jesus quotes were recorded. That being said, he did not have to list every sin in his words, it was not necessary seeing as it is in other passages clearly.
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Excellent.
So, anyone can attribute to Jesus anything that he wishes he had said. Jesus said it, but it wasn't recorded in the Bible, but it still is divine truth.

How can anyone possibly argue against logic like that?
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Except Jesus/God/Holy Spirit wrote the Bible through Divine Inspiration, so actually He did know what was and would be included. :shrug:
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In your opinion. And that isn't possible if you believe in free will. It contradicts free will completely.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Excellent.
So, anyone can attribute to Jesus anything that he wishes he had said. Jesus said it, but it wasn't recorded in the Bible, but it still is divine truth.

How can anyone possibly argue against logic like that?
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Also not what I said.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
No it actually doesn't.
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Yes, it does. You cannot say that God ensured that everything in the Bible was inspired by Him, unless you take away free will from those who wrote, translated, edited, and put together the Bible.
 
roguenuke said:
Yes, it does. You cannot say that God ensured that everything in the Bible was inspired by Him, unless you take away free will from those who wrote, translated, edited, and put together the Bible.
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Unless by inspired you mean told them what to write.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Unless by inspired you mean told them what to write.
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No, even "inspired". You cannot prove that they were "inspired" by God and that none of their own ideas entered the Bible or their own interpretations or biases went into it as long as you believe in free will.
 
roguenuke said:
No, even "inspired". You cannot prove that they were "inspired" by God and that none of their own ideas entered the Bible or their own interpretations or biases went into it as long as you believe in free will.
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And if their free will was to choose to write what God told them to?
 
davidtaylorjr said:
And if their free will was to choose to write what God told them to?
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We don't know what their free choice was.

People being as they are, I assume that there's more than a few personal prejudices in there.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Jesus did not command us, or even lead by example, to ignore one's sin. Just saying. :shrug:

This is what happens when people try to pick and choose pieces of the Bible to support their claims.
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So - do you eat lobsters or crabs?

Do you wear garments of more than one nature/plant/source?

Which is it? LEVITICUS 19:27 "Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard." OR 1 Corinthians 11:14 "Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?"


Every single person who claims to follow the precepts of the Bible faithfully is picking and choosing the bits they like. Your own words in this and other threads illustrate this process quite nicely
 
Dittohead not! said:
They don't.
That's why it's a choice.
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I have said before, men have free will. This doesn't mean, however, that according to God's Word that the choices they make are the right choices.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Also not what I said.
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No, what you said was:

Actually that is a pretty big spin. The Bible also says that not all of Jesus quotes were recorded. That being said, he did not have to list every sin in his words, it was not necessary seeing as it is in other passages clearly.
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So, so we go by the sins that were recorded, or do we get to extrapolate and attribute to Jesus words that were never recorded?
 
Texmex said:
I have said before, men have free will. This doesn't mean, however, that according to God's Word that the choices they make are the right choices.
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of course not.
Getting married may or may not be the right choice.
Being born gay is not a choice at all.
Acting on sexual attraction may or may not be the right choice.
Your sexual orientation is not a choice.

We all make choices, some good and some not so good. The bottom line is that we are free to make our own choices, not to make choices for other people. As long as your choices don't affect me, I have no right to say you must do this, you may not do that. As long as my choices don't affect you, you have no right to say I must do this, or may not do that.

and the purpose of government is to protect our god given rights, and not to impose your choices on others by force of law.
 
Somerville said:
So - do you eat lobsters or crabs?

Do you wear garments of more than one nature/plant/source?

Which is it? LEVITICUS 19:27 "Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard." OR 1 Corinthians 11:14 "Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?"


Every single person who claims to follow the precepts of the Bible faithfully is picking and choosing the bits they like. Your own words in this and other threads illustrate this process quite nicely
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New Testament negated the need for the dietary laws.
 
Dittohead not! said:
No, what you said was:



So, so we go by the sins that were recorded, or do we get to extrapolate and attribute to Jesus words that were never recorded?
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Jesus recorded words don't makeup the entire Bible..... :shrug:
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Jesus recorded words don't makeup the entire Bible..... :shrug:
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So, now we're back to the words that actually were recorded, and the ones that weren't are just speculation?
What words were recorded indicating that it is a sin to be born gay?
 
Dittohead not! said:
So, now we're back to the words that actually were recorded, and the ones that weren't are just speculation?
What words were recorded indicating that it is a sin to be born gay?
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I said homosexuality is a sin. And FYI Chrsitians believe that everyone is a sinner.
 
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