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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Show me a religion that blesses homosexual unions.
    They list 3 in the article. I'll give you one - United Church of Christ. Now, should a UCC church be prevented by law from performing a religious ceremony?


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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    They list 3 in the article. I'll give you one - United Church of Christ. Now, should a UCC church be prevented by law from performing a religious ceremony?
    I'm sorry, I thought you were going to list a religion, not a church.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    I'm sorry, I thought you were going to list a religion, not a church.
    United Church of Christ is a protestant denomination. Just like Baptists are.

    I know you're trying to play games, but stop. It makes you look like a joke.

    For the sake of argument, let's start the Universal Religion of the Fonz. You have the right to worship the Fonz if you want to. If the Universal Religion of the Fonz allows gay marriage, what right does the state have to stop them from performing a ceremony?


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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    That would not be a crime because the end result of the ceremony would not be an attempt to create a legally recognized marriage. People just want to say it would be a crime to throw fuel on the fire to make dem ebil conservatifs look bad. I see this statute as being nothing more than an attempt to hold clergy responsible if they sign and file a marriage certificate of two gays at the Court as a safeguard in case two gays were able to trick the court or whoever issues the licenses into issuing the license by a cross dresser named Tracy pretending to be a girl when they are a guy or something.
    But it doesn't say "attempt to create a legally recognized marriage," it says to "solemnize." A religious ceremony is pretty darn solemn.


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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    United Church of Christ is a protestant denomination. Just like Baptists are.

    I know you're trying to play games, but stop. It makes you look like a joke.

    For the sake of argument, let's start the Universal Religion of the Fonz. You have the right to worship the Fonz if you want to. If the Universal Religion of the Fonz allows gay marriage, what right does the state have to stop them from performing a ceremony?
    And if that same religion also allows for murder, should we turn a blind eye to that as well?
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    This OP points out another reason why government should not be in the marriage business, period.

    How much evidence is needed to convince people that nothing gets better when governments of any stripe impose their concept of a business or activity that is already working fine or chooses winners and losers?

    If the government eliminated all benefits and privileges associated with the government issued certificate of marriage, there would be no need for any government involvement in the institution of marriage and people would be free to enter into any legal partnerships they choose to express their love.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    And if that same religion also allows for murder, should we turn a blind eye to that as well?
    Of course, because speaking on a societal level, ass-****ing is morally equivalent to killing someone.

    Garbage in, garbage out.


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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    No, its not even close. You folks keep up your one party war on women, blacks, Hispanics, gays and you win this hands down! May I say that as a Democrat, I'm delighted by your positions on these issues - especially the regressive stance taken by the House Republicans on immigration reform. If these guys were any dumber, they'd be libertarians.
    Libertarians are the only small government conservatives who don't believe in what you've described as the war on women, blacks, etc. Libertarians seem to be the only ones who really believe that "all men" means "all mankind", and that the purpose of government is to protect our rights.

    There are authoritarians on both the right and the left.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    But it doesn't say "attempt to create a legally recognized marriage," it says to "solemnize." A religious ceremony is pretty darn solemn.
    When you have somebody prosecuted for performing a ceremony that doesn't result in an attempt to create or file a marriage certificate, let us know. Until then, it is no different than most states when it comes to theft. They have multiple theft statutes defined, but they all fall within the same petit larceny/grand larceny regimen, guns possibly being the exception in some places.

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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Of course, because speaking on a societal level, ass-****ing is morally equivalent to killing someone.

    Garbage in, garbage out.
    So you aren't going to answer the question?
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