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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Except the testimony of the other Apostles. Say what you wish but you are wrong on that point.
    In which epistle, do the other Apostles say Paul met Jesus in the flesh? Why are you calling Paul an Apostle - he was not one of the 12?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    But they aren't mine. I've never married.


    It doesn't directly harm me if biter self loathing people with envy and validation issues desecrate a cemetery and demand to be given granite monuments just like the honored dead, either.

    But I'd still object.

    Such reprehensible behavior is an attack upon the culture,and common decency. It's also pestilential, infantile behavior which should never be encouraged nor rewarded.

    Marriage, just like the cemetery, is the province of those for whom it was made.

    If one wants to be married, one should seek out an eligible and willing member of the opposite sex. If one wishes the honors of the dead, one should die.

    Lack of inclination is no denial of rights.

    Again, only silly Moderns need to have these things explained.

    Your logic is not. It does not compute.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    In which epistle, do the other Apostles say Paul met Jesus in the flesh? Why are you calling Paul an Apostle - he was not one of the 12?
    The original 12 were not the only ones...
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

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    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    In which epistle, do the other Apostles say Paul met Jesus in the flesh? Why are you calling Paul an Apostle - he was not one of the 12?
    The original 12 were not the only ones...
    You failed to answer my first question. On the "Apostle" question, you are correct. I was thinking of the 12 Disciples, the original Apostles, but the term is also used to mean any of the early missionaries and preachers of the faith.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    You failed to answer my first question. On the "Apostle" question, you are correct. I was thinking of the 12 Disciples, the original Apostles, but the term is also used to mean any of the early missionaries and preachers of the faith.
    Not to my knowledge, however, Luke is the one that recorded the event, not Paul.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Not to my knowledge, however, Luke is the one that recorded the event, not Paul.
    Why are you avoiding my question? You made a statement that Paul met Jesus. I asked for the verse(s) where "the other Apostles say Paul met Jesus in the flesh".

    You have failed to answer this atheist's questions several times. You see, a religious education can provide the knowledge which leads one away from faith. My first professor of religious studies had been a believer, an actual minister of an evangelical church, until various events in his life including nearly dying in a car wreck one night, caused him to rethink the subject of faith.



    NONE, not one of the 12 wrote a word of the text you know as the New Testament. The Epistles were written before any of the Gospels and Revelations had quite a history of rejection by the early church fathers before it was accepted into the canon in the late 4th Century
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Why are you avoiding my question? You made a statement that Paul met Jesus. I asked for the verse(s) where "the other Apostles say Paul met Jesus in the flesh".

    You have failed to answer this atheist's questions several times. You see, a religious education can provide the knowledge which leads one away from faith. My first professor of religious studies had been a believer, an actual minister of an evangelical church, until various events in his life including nearly dying in a car wreck one night, caused him to rethink the subject of faith.
    I wasn't avoiding your claim. Luke, and apostle and writer of one Gospel, was the one who told about Paul and the road to Damascus. I'm not sure how that was avoiding your question...
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    If you knew a 30 something year old man who never married, didn't have a girlfriend, but who spent all his time hanging out with other guys, wouldn't you wonder about his sexual orientation?
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Why is a stupid fairy tale being used as the basis for anything?

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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Thanks for the history lesson. I never knew Abe Lincoln was a Republican! Of course times have changed. It's the Republicans firmly in the doorway as far as women, minorities, are concerned.
    If you are referring to the race based quota system then yes Republicans are generally against it. Democrats have always been in favor of such if they could not outright ban minorities from a place at the table; and after their loss in the 1960s in the Civil right movement they had to change their strategy somewhat but is still of manipulation and control of minorities as much as they can.



    and I must respectfully disagree with you regarding Libertarians. Any political organization that includes racists like the Paul family is pretty dumb.
    Keep in mind I was referring to libertarian philosophy and I view policies as an outcomes value than intent. Keep in mind also Paul Rand is not his father Ron Paul it was Ron Paul that had some racist views and that was more typical given his age.
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