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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Wrong. You simply don't understand how genetics actually work, particularly when it comes to the case of personality traits, like sexuality.
    Look.

    * Studies on identical twins all come back with no evidence of a genetic cause.
    * Scientists can't find a gene common to all homosexuals as the cause
    * Those with the "gay gene" would be very unlikely to pass it on to offspring

    Yet 1 out of 10 according to some studies identify themselves as homosexuals. The preponderance of the evidence points to a non-genetic cause no matter how much you want your "genetic theory" to be true. Homosexuals aren't a genetically unique "race" of people. They're normal people that ended up with abnormal sexual preferences.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to marry gays

    Speaking of ****ting all over religious freedom ... I thought the GOP was all about that, guess not when it comes to gays.



    Granted, not the most unbiased source in the world. However, don't you think that a religion should be free to perform a religious ceremony?
    I'm sure that they'll be free to perform their sick little ceremony. But hopefully, the law won't compel normal people to recognize any legal validity to it.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Just because the word we use today did not exist, doesn't mean an equal word or phrase did not exist. Nice try though.
    An equal word or phrase did not exist (as far as we know) in Aramaic or Greek or Hebrew to homosexuality. The words being translated to homosexuality in the Bible are used elsewhere in a different concept than those translations of the Bible, than homosexuality itself. Basically, people were being lazy and/or biased and simply said that homosexuality/homosexual was the correct translation instead of the longer, correct translation of the word/words in Greek/Aramaic/Hebrew.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    An equal word or phrase did not exist (as far as we know) in Aramaic or Greek or Hebrew to homosexuality. The words being translated to homosexuality in the Bible are used elsewhere in a different concept than those translations of the Bible, than homosexuality itself. Basically, people were being lazy and/or biased and simply said that homosexuality/homosexual was the correct translation instead of the longer, correct translation of the word/words in Greek/Aramaic/Hebrew.
    μαλακός
    malakos

    of a catamite

    cat·a·mite
    /ˈkatəˌmīt/Noun
    A boy kept for homosexual practices.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    You would think so, since homosexuality makes it less likely that genes will be passed to subsequent generations, and yet it does exist in most animals. Homosexuality must, therefore, be a survival advantage in one way or another. I think the issue must be more complex than that.
    I don't think it carries any survival advantage. I think what it amounts to is a behavioral deviation that carries little impact on a species overall. Or at least we can say that the species that we see today that give us examples of homosexual behaviors weren't eliminated because of it. It doesn't mean it was a survival advantage. It merely wasn't an obstacle to survival. In most species, from an evolutionary standpoint, a shortage of copulating males was never a problem. Now we might argue that willingness of females might have been a problem, but looking back over human history, we see that probably wouldn't have stopped them from being impregnated, anyway.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Look.

    * Studies on identical twins all come back with no evidence of a genetic cause.
    * Scientists can't find a gene common to all homosexuals as the cause
    * Those with the "gay gene" would be very unlikely to pass it on to offspring

    Yet 1 out of 10 according to some studies identify themselves as homosexuals. The preponderance of the evidence points to a non-genetic cause no matter how much you want your "genetic theory" to be true. Homosexuals aren't a genetically unique "race" of people. They're normal people that ended up with abnormal sexual preferences.
    Actually, twin studies show that there is some genetic component because identical twins are more likely to be homosexual than just full siblings. They aren't always both homosexual because that is not how personality trait related genes work. In most cases, it is not only several genes that influence one trait, but it is also other factors, including hormone levels of the mother and "nurture" to personality. This is why even identical twins do not act the same way or like the same things nor are attracted to even the same type of men/women no matter their actual sexuality. Personality genetics simply does not work the way you believe it does.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    μαλακός
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    of a catamite
    Which is talking about pederasty, not homosexuality. You prove that it was a biased/lazy translation and that what is actually being said to be a sin is pederasty, a man having an intimate relationship with a boy, rather than two adult men or women having a relationship.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    And there's no proof that homosexuality is genetic. None of them gave proof that it's genetic. That's why there's no discovery of "the gay gene". That's why there's no illustration of the exact genetic factors that produces homosexuals. It's because it's not genetic at all. The fact that homosexuals prefer to engage in sex with those that they can't possibly impregnate means that any genetic factor would have had a great deal of difficulty being passed on. You get the gay gene and it's an evolutionary dead end for your chromosome set. Like I said before, turkey basters are too recent a development to have played any role in evolution.
    I never claimed it was strictly genetic. If you'd read the publications I linked, maybe you'd understand better. No, homosexuality is not an evolutionary dead end; it's an evolutionary supporter. A gay male can still impregnate a female.

    PLOS ONE: Sexually Antagonistic Selection in Human Male Homosexuality

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    This reminds me of that conversation on "Friends" where Phoebe told Ross that she didn't believe in evolution ("It's just a little too easy") and no matter how many things he brought up to show evidence of evolution, she had a counter to it (like fossil evidence was countered by "So the question is, who put those fossils there?").
    I love that episode. Very similar to this scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    For those of you stuck on stupid and thinking that homosexuality is genetic despite the fact that Darwin's theory of evolution would have made such a genetic failure disappear a long time ago... here:

    Identical Twins Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic
    Why don't you post actual scientific journals instead of heavily biased, religious, Conservative source? Because that would make you confront your denial?
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Actually, twin studies show that there is some genetic component because identical twins are more likely to be homosexual than just full siblings.
    You really believe that studies showing identical twins are more likely to be homosexual than just full siblings is proof of a genetic component? Seriously? Do you really think you can point to whatever common denominators you wish as a "causal effect". Like insurance studies that show red cars have the highest incidence of accidents is proof that red is an unlucky color?

    And the funny thing is that I think it would be great if it was genetic. Then medical science could correct the genetic problem that causes it. And then this whole discussion would be moot point. Thing is... it's not genetic. There will never be a "genetic cure" for homosexuality because genes didn't cause the problem in the first place.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    I never claimed it was strictly genetic. If you'd read the publications I linked, maybe you'd understand better. No, homosexuality is not an evolutionary dead end; it's an evolutionary supporter. A gay male can still impregnate a female.

    PLOS ONE: Sexually Antagonistic Selection in Human Male Homosexuality



    I love that episode. Very similar to this scenario.



    Why don't you post actual scientific journals instead of heavily biased, religious, Conservative source? Because that would make you confront your denial?
    Ad hominem. Of course you disagree with the source, but that doesn't amount to refutation.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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