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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    I do, but, it would appear you have never worked in a scientific laboratory in your life, nor have you conducted any type of formal research and, presumably, received a piss-poor scientific education. No, you can't spout anything you'd like and get away with it. Scientific explanation requires evidence, you know, that thing you lack that shows it's just a behavioral deviance. Glad to know you also read two lines and stopped; there are three publications there and why don't you read them? Perhaps a bit of abnegation?
    And there's no proof that homosexuality is genetic. None of them gave proof that it's genetic. That's why there's no discovery of "the gay gene". That's why there's no illustration of the exact genetic factors that produces homosexuals. It's because it's not genetic at all. The fact that homosexuals prefer to engage in sex with those that they can't possibly impregnate means that any genetic factor would have had a great deal of difficulty being passed on. You get the gay gene and it's an evolutionary dead end for your chromosome set. Like I said before, turkey basters are too recent a development to have played any role in evolution.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    I do, but, it would appear you have never worked in a scientific laboratory in your life, nor have you conducted any type of formal research and, presumably, received a piss-poor scientific education. No, you can't spout anything you'd like and get away with it. Scientific explanation requires evidence, you know, that thing you lack that shows it's just a behavioral deviance. Glad to know you also read two lines and stopped; there are three publications there and why don't you read them? Perhaps a bit of abnegation?
    This reminds me of that conversation on "Friends" where Phoebe told Ross that she didn't believe in evolution ("It's just a little too easy") and no matter how many things he brought up to show evidence of evolution, she had a counter to it (like fossil evidence was countered by "So the question is, who put those fossils there?").
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    This reminds me of that conversation on "Friends" where Phoebe told Ross that she didn't believe in evolution ("It's just a little too easy") and no matter how many things he brought up to show evidence of evolution, she had a counter to it (like fossil evidence was countered by "So the question is, who put those fossils there?").
    People that want to claim homosexuality is genetic seem to be the ones that don't believe in evolution. Ironic, I think.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    And there's no proof that homosexuality is genetic. None of them gave proof that it's genetic. That's why there's no discovery of "the gay gene". That's why there's no illustration of the exact genetic factors that produces homosexuals. It's because it's not genetic at all. The fact that homosexuals prefer to engage in sex with those that they can't possibly impregnate means that any genetic factor would have had a great deal of difficulty being passed on. You get the gay gene and it's an evolutionary dead end for your chromosome set. Like I said before, turkey basters are too recent a development to have played any role in evolution.
    There is also no proof that lefthandedness is genetic. There is evidence though to suggest both, since some things, especially behavior related aspects of humans, are multi-gene influenced, instead of tied to a single gene itself.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    People that want to claim homosexuality is genetic seem to be the ones that don't believe in evolution. Ironic, I think.
    Wrong. You simply don't understand how genetics actually work, particularly when it comes to the case of personality traits, like sexuality.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Not what I said at all. Besides, if you go with your logic, everything in the English Bible or Spanish Bible or any Bible not in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek are revisions. Which is false, it's called translation.
    Correct, it's called translation. Now, you said the word "homosexual" didn't exist when the KJV was written, which is why it isn't found in my quote. I don't know if you're correct about that or not, so, let's just assume you are. If so, then it follows that the word didn't exist thousands of years before, when the original was written either. So, the injunction against homosexuality must have been added to the original in more modern times. Therefore, using the Bible to support the idea that homosexuality is to be condemned requires revision of the original text.

    Like many things written in the Bible, this one is open to interpretation.

    How do you suppose the openly gay Episcopal priests interpret it?
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    For those of you stuck on stupid and thinking that homosexuality is genetic despite the fact that Darwin's theory of evolution would have made such a genetic failure disappear a long time ago... here:

    Identical Twins Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Correct, it's called translation. Now, you said the word "homosexual" didn't exist when the KJV was written, which is why it isn't found in my quote. I don't know if you're correct about that or not, so, let's just assume you are. If so, then it follows that the word didn't exist thousands of years before, when the original was written either. So, the injunction against homosexuality must have been added to the original in more modern times. Therefore, using the Bible to support the idea that homosexuality is to be condemned requires revision of the original text.

    Like many things written in the Bible, this one is open to interpretation.

    How do you suppose the openly gay Episcopal priests interpret it?
    Just because the word we use today did not exist, doesn't mean an equal word or phrase did not exist. Nice try though.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    People that want to claim homosexuality is genetic seem to be the ones that don't believe in evolution. Ironic, I think.
    You would think so, since homosexuality makes it less likely that genes will be passed to subsequent generations, and yet it does exist in most animals. Homosexuality must, therefore, be a survival advantage in one way or another. I think the issue must be more complex than that.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    For those of you stuck on stupid and thinking that homosexuality is genetic despite the fact that Darwin's theory of evolution would have made such a genetic failure disappear a long time ago... here:

    Identical Twins Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic
    Wrong. You do not understand twin DNA nor genetic-based personality traits still. There is still a factor of environmental influence, but those twin studies prove that there is a genetic component to a person's sexuality.

    Character traits determined genetically? Genes may hold the key to a life of success, study suggests

    Despite common belief, identical twins do not actually share completely identical DNA because every fetus goes through 150-200 or more individual genetic mutations during gestation, including individual identical twins.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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