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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Can't prove it? It's documented.
    Eyewitness accounts and testimonies that they heard from God is not proof that they actually did. In fact, it isn't even reliable proof that Jesus did at least some of the things described in the Bible. As I've said multiple times now, eyewitnesses are among the worst possible sources because of many very human factors.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Oh, I'm aware that people can and do choose. I think the whole evolutionary argument fails because homosexuality is behavior, not a genetic condition.
    I'm sorry you're ignorant of modern science.

    "Sexual orientation probably is not determined by any one factor but by a combination of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences." Source.

    "Biometric modeling revealed that, in men, genetic effects explained .34–.39 of the variance, the shared environment .00, and the individual-specific environment .61–.66 of the variance. Corresponding estimates among women were .18–.19 for genetic factors, .16–.17 for shared environmental, and 64–.66 for unique environmental factors. Although wide confidence intervals suggest cautious interpretation, the results are consistent with moderate, primarily genetic, familial effects, and moderate to large effects of the nonshared environment (social and biological) on same-sex sexual behavior." Source.

    "Despite almost a century of psychoanalytic and psychological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences have any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heterosexual or homosexual orientation (Bell and Weinberg, 1978).

    It would appear that sexual orientation is biological in nature, determined by genetic factors (Mustanski et al, 2005) and/or the early uterine environment (Blanchard et al. 2006)." Source.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    The word homosexual did not exist when the KJV was translated.
    Which is absolutely why it could have been translated wrong. We are talking about a fairly modern concept being translated from ancient texts but at a time when people believed the concept itself was wrong. It leads to very biased translations.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Which is absolutely why it could have been translated wrong. We are talking about a fairly modern concept being translated from ancient texts but at a time when people believed the concept itself was wrong. It leads to very biased translations.
    No, the concept is not modern, just the word.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Can't prove it? It's documented.
    Oh and you still failed to address the very meaning of the word murder is the unlawful killing of another person. Technically, Cain killing Abel wasn't murder at all at that time because there were no laws to make it murder. It was simply an unjustifiable killing.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    The word homosexual did not exist when the KJV was translated.
    Oh, so it had to be added in to the Bible after it existed? That sounds to me like a revision, and for what purpose? Someone must not have liked homosexuals.

    I wonder what the original version actually said, the one written in the language of Jesus time?
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    I'm sorry you're ignorant of modern science.

    "Sexual orientation probably is not determined by any one factor but by a combination of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences." Source.

    "Biometric modeling revealed that, in men, genetic effects explained .34–.39 of the variance, the shared environment .00, and the individual-specific environment .61–.66 of the variance. Corresponding estimates among women were .18–.19 for genetic factors, .16–.17 for shared environmental, and 64–.66 for unique environmental factors. Although wide confidence intervals suggest cautious interpretation, the results are consistent with moderate, primarily genetic, familial effects, and moderate to large effects of the nonshared environment (social and biological) on same-sex sexual behavior." Source.

    "Despite almost a century of psychoanalytic and psychological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences have any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heterosexual or homosexual orientation (Bell and Weinberg, 1978).

    It would appear that sexual orientation is biological in nature, determined by genetic factors (Mustanski et al, 2005) and/or the early uterine environment (Blanchard et al. 2006)." Source.
    I guess you don't know what "probably" means, huh? I think you are probably all wet. I think the guy that did the research was probably gay. I think it will probably rain where you live tomorrow. I think I can probably say anything I want and get by with it as long as I qualify it with "probably".

    Real science, modern or otherwise isn't built on "probably". Let me know when they find the gay gene.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    No, the concept is not modern, just the word.
    The concept is relatively modern. People didn't think nor care about attraction within the context of relationships for much of human history, throughout most cultures, especially those cultures that were following the Biblical God, either as Jews or as Christians.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I guess you don't know what "probably" means, huh? I think you are probably all wet. I think the guy that did the research was probably gay. I think it will probably rain where you live tomorrow. I think I can probably say anything I want and get by with it as long as I qualify it with "probably".

    Real science, modern or otherwise isn't built on "probably".
    I do, but, it would appear you have never worked in a scientific laboratory in your life, nor have you conducted any type of formal research and, presumably, received a piss-poor scientific education. No, you can't spout anything you'd like and get away with it. Scientific explanation requires evidence, you know, that thing you lack that shows it's just a behavioral deviance. Glad to know you also read two lines and stopped; there are three publications there and why don't you read them? Perhaps a bit of abnegation?
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Oh, so it had to be added in to the Bible after it existed? That sounds to me like a revision, and for what purpose? Someone must not have liked homosexuals.

    I wonder what the original version actually said, the one written in the language of Jesus time?
    Not what I said at all. Besides, if you go with your logic, everything in the English Bible or Spanish Bible or any Bible not in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek are revisions. Which is false, it's called translation.
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