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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    So should all states make incest legal too? Why should family members not enter into a contract? Your argument isn't logical.
    The problem with incest is that it creates genetic problems. The same can't be said for homosexuality.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The problem with incest is that it creates genetic problems. The same can't be said for homosexuality.
    But that isn't the issue according to you guys. You aren't talking about the sex remember, you are talking about the contract.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Yes, I believe Christ can change our hearts and minds. However, Christ considered homosexuality a sin because he is in line with Scripture.
    Old Testament scripture?

    It seems we've already had discussions of Old Testament statements about homosexuality, along with wearing two kinds of cloth, planting two sorts of plants in the same field, and a whole lot more. The OT has been translated and retranslated to the point it is quite open to interpretation.

    I agree that acceptance of Christ can change hearts and minds. What I don't believe is that it can change physical characteristics. So, now it boils down to: Is homosexuality in the mind, or in the body?
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Could you show me which post you are referring to?
    Sure. This one.

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    Jesus recorded words don't makeup the entire Bible.....
    The one I quoted before.

    It is missing either a sign of possession (Jesus' recorded words) or some other grammatical indication that it is not saying that Jesus recorded words that are part of the Bible.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Sure. This one.



    The one I quoted before.

    It is missing either a sign of possession (Jesus' recorded words) or some other grammatical indication that it is not saying that Jesus recorded words that are part of the Bible.
    Fine, put an ' after Jesus. Pretty sure we addressed that earlier and clarified what I was talking about. I see you can't seem to move one and have real discussion.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    But that isn't the issue according to you guys. You aren't talking about the sex remember, you are talking about the contract.
    Contract?

    I'm talking about orientation
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    But that isn't the issue according to you guys. You aren't talking about the sex remember, you are talking about the contract.
    Actually, we are talking about a contract that grants a legal relationship based on certain circumstances. The sex that same sex couples have is completely legal, whether it is being done by same sex or opposite sex couples. Incest is not only illegal, but it is restricted for a couple of reasons, including birth defects and undue influence in the relationship that is very likely to happen prior to age of consent for one of the two in the relationship.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Contract?

    I'm talking about orientation
    The part you quoted to make that statements was dealing with marriage contracts. You should go back and read the conversation you are actually quoting.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Fine, put an ' after Jesus. Pretty sure we addressed that earlier and clarified what I was talking about. I see you can't seem to move one and have real discussion.
    You ask me to show you the problem and then you have an issue with me showing you the problem?

    The discussion is that Jesus didn't write the Bible, men did. So if you believe that Jesus is God, you are still only getting Jesus' words second hand, through witnesses, not from the source. And witnesses are unreliable sources of information due to human failings.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Actually, we are talking about a contract that grants a legal relationship based on certain circumstances. The sex that same sex couples have is completely legal, whether it is being done by same sex or opposite sex couples. Incest is not only illegal, but it is restricted for a couple of reasons, including birth defects and undue influence in the relationship that is very likely to happen prior to age of consent for one of the two in the relationship.
    Dodging the question I see. That is still forbidding adults to go into a contract, which was the problem you had with my position about homosexuals.
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