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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Jesus recorded words don't makeup the entire Bible.....
    What part of the Bible presents things Jesus himself recorded? There are parts where someone tells us what they heard from Jesus, but not actually Jesus writing it down. And even where he was recorded, it was long after the actual event took place, not immediately following it. Plenty of time to get stories and details straight. That is the problem with eyewitness accounts, the farther removed they are/longer time between the event and the account being recorded, the less reliable they are just due to human nature.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Homosexuality is not listed as a sin in the bible. Jesus did love the downcast and persecuted. He'd more likely march in a Pride parade than protest gay marriage.
    He'd probably be trying to heal them of their affliction.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    What part of the Bible presents things Jesus himself recorded? There are parts where someone tells us what they heard from Jesus, but not actually Jesus writing it down. And even where he was recorded, it was long after the actual event took place, not immediately following it. Plenty of time to get stories and details straight. That is the problem with eyewitness accounts, the farther removed they are/longer time between the event and the account being recorded, the less reliable they are just due to human nature.
    Didn't know I actually said that Jesus himself recorded the words......Do try to stick to my actual comments and not your made up versions of them.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    New Testament negated the need for the dietary laws.
    So you can pick and choose the parts to obey and the parts to ignore? Matthew 15:1-20, and Mark 7:1-23 only mention the dietary restrictions and the required washing of hands before eating, nothing about cutting your hair or beard, nothing about wearing mixed fibres, not a word as regards any of the other restrictions found in Leviticus. Then there was the whole circumcision thing - an action which nearly destroyed the faith in the early years. Considering how unsanitary medical practices were in those days, I can quite understand why adult males didn't much care for the thought of having their foreskins whacked off.


    So why then should a "Christian" follow any of the precepts, laws and "words of God" that are found in the Old Testament? The New Testament provides us with enough moral precepts - doesn't it.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    I said homosexuality is a sin. And FYI Chrsitians believe that everyone is a sinner.
    Yes, Christians believe that everyone is a sinner. I believe that statement could be backed up by Jesus' words that were actually recorded.
    Now, is being born homosexual a sin because you say so, or because Jesus said so? It sounds to me like you're trying to speak for Jesus.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    So you can pick and choose the parts to obey and the parts to ignore? Matthew 15:1-20, and Mark 7:1-23 only mention the dietary restrictions and the required washing of hands before eating, nothing about cutting your hair or beard, nothing about wearing mixed fibres, not a word as regards any of the other restrictions found in Leviticus. Then there was the whole circumcision thing - an action which nearly destroyed the faith in the early years. Considering how unsanitary medical practices were in those days, I can quite understand why adult males didn't much care for the thought of having their foreskins whacked off.


    So why then should a "Christian" follow any of the precepts, laws and "words of God" that are found in the Old Testament? The New Testament provides us with enough moral precepts - doesn't it.
    That would constitute a whole new thread. Let me know when you have created this and I will gladly spell it out there.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Yes, Christians believe that everyone is a sinner. I believe that statement could be backed up by Jesus' words that were actually recorded.
    Now, is being born homosexual a sin because you say so, or because Jesus said so? It sounds to me like you're trying to speak for Jesus.
    Do you want to have a discussion? Or do you want to keep spinning words?
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Do you want to have a discussion? Or do you want to keep spinning words?
    It's difficult to have a discussion with someone who doesn't respond to questions and statements.
    When someone wants to ascribe to Jesus words that were never recorded in the Bible, it does make one wonder just where that person is getting his version of Christian philosophy.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It's difficult to have a discussion with someone who doesn't respond to questions and statements.
    When someone wants to ascribe to Jesus words that were never recorded in the Bible, it does make one wonder just where that person is getting his version of Christian philosophy.
    Except that never happend.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to marry gays

    Speaking of ****ting all over religious freedom ... I thought the GOP was all about that, guess not when it comes to gays.



    Granted, not the most unbiased source in the world. However, don't you think that a religion should be free to perform a religious ceremony?
    I've never been a fan of government having anything to do with marriage licensure or benefits law to begin with. To me the obvious solution is to hold civil weddings to the "equal rights" standard meaning no one can be denied a wedding for any reasons, and the church should feel free to perform ceremonies as they wish.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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