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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    KJV Romans 1 "26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
    27 and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
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    In these two passages, Paul (or whoever wrote this epistle) used the word arsenokoites. A word that hasn't been found in any earlier Greek texts, it appears to have been formed by merging two words, arsen - male and koites - bed. There were other Greek words used at the time with meanings closer to what we call homosexual or gay. The question asked by scholars: Why did the writer make up a new word when others existed?

    In context, from what is known about cultic practices in the Greco-Roman culture of the 1st century, it is likely that Paul was condemning either temple prostitution or the forced sexual exploitation of slaves by their owners or pederasty.

    The other word found in Romans and in Corinthians is malakos which has a basic meaning of "soft" or "dainty" but was also used in other Greek texts to mean effeminate or weak men, not necessarily gay.
    And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Romans 1:2,28

    I don't see any mention of temple prostitutes here, but of men leaving the woman to have sex with other men. You, I and everyone else with a brain know what this is talking about.

    If you, or anyone else, is determined to engage in this type of behavior, don't try to justify it with the Word of God. Just reject what God says and have your fun. God with recompense you, or them for their deviant behavior when the time is right.

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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    The proper word for administering marriage vows to homosexual would be frivolize, not solemnize.

    Actually, they can't marry first cousins or bigamist wannabes either. Seriously, though, if there's no marriage license, it's not a marriage that gets "solemnized" even if there is a ceremony that is a mock wedding.
    Wrong on many levels here.

    First, first cousins in Indiana can actually legally marry as long as they are both at least 65 years of age.

    State laws and cousin marriage | Cousin Marriage Resources

    Second, as long as there is no marriage license being signed, the church/any clergyman can perform any ceremony they so choose as long as they are not harming anyone/violating some sort of rights in so doing. This includes performing ceremonies for first cousins, siblings, bigamists, and many others. Laws are supposed to kick in with regards to marriage only when there is a legal marriage license involved, not for the ceremony itself. If any clergy were ever in trouble for performing a ceremony (not including signing any license) for any couple/group that cannot legally marry, they should sue on a violation of religious freedom because that ceremony by itself has nothing to do with legal marriage. (The only exceptions could be forced marriage where the clergy knows that one of the people is not there of their own free will and marriage of an adult to a child.)
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Romans 1:2,28

    I don't see any mention of temple prostitutes here, but of men leaving the woman to have sex with other men. You, I and everyone else with a brain know what this is talking about.

    If you, or anyone else, is determined to engage in this type of behavior, don't try to justify it with the Word of God. Just reject what God says and have your fun. God with recompense you, or them for their deviant behavior when the time is right.
    It doesn't matter what you believe the Bible says nor even what the Bible may actually say. It is freedom of religion, including dismissing any part of any religious practice/belief a person/group does not want to follow or doesn't believe in.

    Let me repeat: FREEDOM OF RELIGION!! It means the government doesn't get to dictate to any religion or denomination of any religion what their beliefs should be, and neither do you.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Actually the only one picking Bible verses is you. Read the New Testament.
    Arguing homosexuality is a sin based on a passage in Leviticus and then ignore all the other passages in the Leviticus by saying "read the New Testament" is an example of the exact kind of hypocrisy I am talking about. You just proved me right.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Romans 1:2,28

    I don't see any mention of temple prostitutes here, but of men leaving the woman to have sex with other men. You, I and everyone else with a brain know what this is talking about.

    If you, or anyone else, is determined to engage in this type of behavior, don't try to justify it with the Word of God. Just reject what God says and have your fun. God with recompense you, or them for their deviant behavior when the time is right.
    You have to know the Greek (the original writing) to know the actual meaning of the words. Which is why Somerville explained to you the Greek...quoting the English is basically ignoring his entire post. Ignoring his post is not an argument.
    "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free."
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post

    That is one of the worst and weakest attempts to defend the practice of slavery as it was called for in the Old Testament, that I have ever read.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It doesn't matter what you believe the Bible says nor even what the Bible may actually say. It is freedom of religion, including dismissing any part of any religious practice/belief a person/group does not want to follow or doesn't believe in.

    Let me repeat: FREEDOM OF RELIGION!! It means the government doesn't get to dictate to any religion or denomination of any religion what their beliefs should be, and neither do you.
    Murdering babies goes beyond freedom of religion.

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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    You have to know the Greek (the original writing) to know the actual meaning of the words. Which is why Somerville explained to you the Greek...quoting the English is basically ignoring his entire post. Ignoring his post is not an argument.
    Only a reprobate would agree with Somerville's posting.

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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Only a reprobate would agree with Somerville's posting.
    Only a reprobate would think ad hominem is an argument
    "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free."
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Only a reprobate would think ad hominem is an argument
    You can back the pro-murder crowd if you want, I will fight against them at every turn and in every way possible.

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