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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Plug that same argument into Abortion, or free speech and you will see that it doesn't fly.
    Abortion becomes a grey area, as there is no universally true method of which to determine when a fetus should be considered a child worthy of having it's rights protected and the fact that it becomes an issue of two potential instances of someone infringing upon the rights of another.

    Free speech...again, the government can limit you in free speech at such point that your speech inpugnes the rights of others. IE, your right to speech doesn't preclude the state from allowing you to speak in such a way as to directly put other people into significant danger such as with the notion of "yelling fire in a crowded theater".

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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Abortion becomes a grey area, as there is no universally true method of which to determine when a fetus should be considered a child worthy of having it's rights protected and the fact that it becomes an issue of two potential instances of someone infringing upon the rights of another.

    Free speech...again, the government can limit you in free speech at such point that your speech inpugnes the rights of others. IE, your right to speech doesn't preclude the state from allowing you to speak in such a way as to directly put other people into significant danger such as with the notion of "yelling fire in a crowded theater".
    Ah yes, but the arguments of captive audience though. That is saying people have the right to not be offended.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Wow, that sounds almost too crazy to believe. Absolutely terrible if story is as described.
    We are talking about Indiana here. The bastion of right wing extremism. The land of the "Potatoe".

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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    They have a long way to go to reach the lunacy level of either Florida or 'let's confiscate the tampons' Texas, however.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Sometimes I think I might be the most liberal guy in the state, and I am pretty conservative.
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    We are talking about Indiana here. The bastion of right wing extremism. The land of the "Potatoe".
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Ah yes, but the arguments of captive audience though. That is saying people have the right to not be offended.
    No, the issue with regards to "captive audiences" is just that...the captive part. If an audience is forced in some fashion to listen to the speaker it then creates a situation where rights come into conflict. Without you giving some kind fo specific, it's hard to really see what you're getting at with that regard.

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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No, the issue with regards to "captive audiences" is just that...the captive part. If an audience is forced in some fashion to listen to the speaker it then creates a situation where rights come into conflict. Without you giving some kind fo specific, it's hard to really see what you're getting at with that regard.
    For instance, uprisings over valedictorians speaking about their religion.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    For instance, uprisings over valedictorians speaking about their religion.
    First, you'll note I didn't have a huge issue with the Valedictorian initial desires to speak about his religion, so throwing that out there as some kind of counter to my point is kind of useless. Are you suggestion YOU had an issue with it?

    Second, again...there is a difference in terms of the actual issue in such a case, which would be with actually reading scripture. This is a government funded event, and one where the audience (students) are captive in the sense that if they want to be handed their duly earned diploma they must attend, and actively preaching through the reading of scripture one religion is problematic both in the notion of a government ran event seemingly endorsing a particular religion AND infringing upon their religious freedoms by having to actively participate in the preaching of a religion individuals within the audience does not follow.

    So still miserably failing in trying to justify the idiocy of comparing disallowing private churches to undergo voluntary private services and disallowing people from committing homicide.

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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    First, you'll note I didn't have a huge issue with the Valedictorian initial desires to speak about his religion, so throwing that out there as some kind of counter to my point is kind of useless. Are you suggestion YOU had an issue with it?

    Second, again...there is a difference in terms of the actual issue in such a case, which would be with actually reading scripture. This is a government funded event, and one where the audience (students) are captive in the sense that if they want to be handed their duly earned diploma they must attend, and actively preaching through the reading of scripture one religion is problematic both in the notion of a government ran event seemingly endorsing a particular religion AND infringing upon their religious freedoms by having to actively participate in the preaching of a religion individuals within the audience does not follow.

    So still miserably failing in trying to justify the idiocy of comparing disallowing private churches to undergo voluntary private services and disallowing people from committing homicide.
    Didn't say you had an issue with it, what I am saying is the arguments are very much the same.
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    Re: Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    .. your right to speech doesn't preclude the state from allowing you to speak in such a way as to directly put other people into significant danger such as with the notion of "yelling fire in a crowded theater".
    Really? I was not aware that the 1st read:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, unless it directly puts other people into significant danger such as with the notion of "yelling fire in a crowded theater", and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

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