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John Boehner: No House vote on Senate immigration bill

Because the two are not mutually inclusive, as the 20 million thieving illegals who trespassed into America are not immigrants, because the only way to be an immigrant in America is to be granted that status by the INS ..

.. And, because we don't have a problem with our immigration policy but we do, obviously, have a problem with border security, as the presence of 20 million illegals in America does attest.



In addition to securing the borders to keep trespassers from getting in ..

.. We need to get the 20 million thieving trespassers already here, out.


John Boehner is becoming a patriotic American folk hero, not only in his killing of this egregious amnesty and legalization bill, a bill which is an obvious gross injustice to all American citizens, but now in his request that if corportations don't have to provide Obamacare for a year's delay, then individuals shouldn't have to be penalized tax-wise if they can't afford to spend on health insurance.

how can you force 20 million people to leave if they don't want to? are you suggesting we force them to leave at gunpoint?
 
how can you force 20 million people to leave if they don't want to? are you suggesting we force them to leave at gunpoint?
Meaningless extremist reaction.

You overlook the first-step obvious, understandably.

We simply make a united effort to prevent transactions by illegals, no jobs, therefore no cash, no retail credit purchases, no healthcare except emergency life-saving, etc.

They will then be supported by sympathizers in America for a short time, before they leave to return home to a more financially secure climate before the sympathizers' money runs out.

It really is that simple.

They deserve hard time for their trespassing and multiple felony thefts.

That they will be getting off virtually unpunished, merely having to return the jobs, classrooms, living space, road space, etc., etc., etc., American resources they stole, they should feel very, very lucky.

But, if they resist belligerently at that point, gunpoint may indeed be necessary.

American citizens deserve no less of an effort.
 
Read more: John Boehner: No House vote on Senate immigration bill - Ginger Gibson - POLITICO.com

And we are back to the Republican house holding everything up again. Back to the good ol do nothing congress.. [/FONT][/COLOR]

Well, at least you're consistent. Any time the House and the Senate don't agree on something, you immediately accuse the House of being obstuctionist or do nothing. Have you ever posted a thread about the do nothing, obstructionist Senate under Harry Reid?
 
how can you force 20 million people to leave if they don't want to? are you suggesting we force them to leave at gunpoint?

I'm curious - how long do you think illegals would remain in the country if they weren't being given, in many states, and from many businesses the basic benefits of citizenship, such as jobs, healthcare, education, etc.?

Perhaps the easiest way to cut down on the numbers would be to eliminate access to all these benefits and then, only the criminal or the wealthy will be able to stay - eventually, the criminals will be caught and deported, and the wealthy can stay and spend because they don't cost your society anything.
 
Meaningless extremist reaction.

You overlook the first-step obvious, understandably.

We simply make a united effort to prevent transactions by illegals, no jobs, therefore no cash, no retail credit purchases, no healthcare except emergency life-saving, etc.

They will then be supported by sympathizers in America for a short time, before they leave to return home to a more financially secure climate before the sympathizers' money runs out.

It really is that simple.

They deserve hard time for their trespassing and multiple felony thefts.

That they will be getting off virtually unpunished, merely having to return the jobs, classrooms, living space, road space, etc., etc., etc., American resources they stole, they should feel very, very lucky.

But, if they resist belligerently at that point, gunpoint may indeed be necessary.

American citizens deserve no less of an effort.

so basically stop all financial activity of a certian group and make it impossible to maintain a standard of living just because of their legal status. only one problem: how can you find all 20 million illegal immigrants? they aren't all in one place.
 
so basically stop all financial activity of a certian group and make it impossible to maintain a standard of living just because of their legal status.
Absolutely, yes.

This "certain group" are people who are trespassers and multiple-count thieves.

By taking this ethically appropriate action against their on-going criminal activity we function to prevent it, to put an end to it, obviously.


only one problem: how can you find all 20 million illegal immigrants? they aren't all in one place.
We don't need to "find" all 20 million illegal aliens, or "illegals" for short. (They simply aren't "immigrants", as I accurately pointed out to you previously, so it is erroneous to call them illegal "immigrants" -- the proper government statute term for them is "illegal aliens", or "illegals" for short.)

We simply begin enforcing the recently improved e-verify with unscrupulous Benedict Arnold business owners and managers highly suspected of hiring illegals.

We thereby catch the offending illegals and their accomplice business owners/managers.

Once these illegals can no longer find work, they will run out of cash.

We also step up enforcement searches of identify fraud, which will catch illegals' credit cards under forged names and the like.

It can be done, and comparatively easily.

But, again, you focus, and erroneously so, on low level mechanics, when the matter is one of high level philosophical ethics.

Forcing self-deportation of the 20 million illegals is simply the right ethical thing to do by the foundational people to whom American law and officials are responsible and accountable: American citizens, the people whom the 20 million illegals egregiously wronged.

It is important in making correct decisions, especially in a country where the Constitution and rule of law is rightly respected, to put doing the right thing ahead of "oh, it's just too hard" mechanics whining by liberal Dems with a political power-play agenda.
 
i am not a fan of bills which are unconstitutional, but the republicans since taking the house have passed many jobs bills and sent them over to the senate, where harry has tabled them, and will not let them come to a vote on the senate floor.
Please name ONE jobs related bill that has been held up in the Senate. Just one JOBS Bill as you say. All I've seen or heard coming from the House are abortion restriction bills and revoke RomneyCare bills.
 
Please name ONE jobs related bill that has been held up in the Senate. Just one JOBS Bill as you say. All I've seen or heard coming from the House are abortion restriction bills and revoke RomneyCare bills.

no... i an not going to post anything, becuase if you believe that one party is so bad, and the other is so good, then you need to do some soul searching.
 
no... i an not going to post anything, becuase if you believe that one party is so bad, and the other is so good, then you need to do some soul searching.
I think they are both pitiful parties, but we weren't talking about parties, we're talking about branches of government here. So, since you have no proof for your claim, it's clear it must be one of the Faux News "factoids".
 
I think they are both pitiful parties, but we weren't talking about parties, we're talking about branches of government here. So, since you have no proof for your claim, it's clear it must be one of the Faux News "factoids".

the republicans have been in the house for over 2 1/2 years, and you believe that everything that they have ever sent to the senate was voted on?

just as one party does something, so does the other party, neither one are different.
 
the republicans have been in the house for over 2 1/2 years, and you believe that everything that they have ever sent to the senate was voted on?

just as one party does something, so does the other party, neither one are different.
I didn't say that, and you are intentionally trying to stretch what I did. I asked specifically about the person claiming that jobs bills had been sent and tabled. That is not true. Now surely the revoke RomneyCare and advanced abortion restrictions and similar bull****, surely, but not any jobs bills.

So you can take your attempt to rewrite what I'm discussing by exaggerating and hyping into something entirely more broad and general than I focused on if it makes you feel like somehow your FNC bull**** is viable.
 
Absolutely, yes.

This "certain group" are people who are trespassers and multiple-count thieves.

By taking this ethically appropriate action against their on-going criminal activity we function to prevent it, to put an end to it, obviously.



We don't need to "find" all 20 million illegal aliens, or "illegals" for short. (They simply aren't "immigrants", as I accurately pointed out to you previously, so it is erroneous to call them illegal "immigrants" -- the proper government statute term for them is "illegal aliens", or "illegals" for short.)

We simply begin enforcing the recently improved e-verify with unscrupulous Benedict Arnold business owners and managers highly suspected of hiring illegals.

We thereby catch the offending illegals and their accomplice business owners/managers.

Once these illegals can no longer find work, they will run out of cash.

We also step up enforcement searches of identify fraud, which will catch illegals' credit cards under forged names and the like.

It can be done, and comparatively easily.

But, again, you focus, and erroneously so, on low level mechanics, when the matter is one of high level philosophical ethics.

Forcing self-deportation of the 20 million illegals is simply the right ethical thing to do by the foundational people to whom American law and officials are responsible and accountable: American citizens, the people whom the 20 million illegals egregiously wronged.

It is important in making correct decisions, especially in a country where the Constitution and rule of law is rightly respected, to put doing the right thing ahead of "oh, it's just too hard" mechanics whining by liberal Dems with a political power-play agenda.

You make a lousy ****ing centrist you know that? You sound like a mean ole conservative, busting crook asses all over. :lol: You really need to work on your liberal side.
 
Boehner is simply helping to ratify his parties already signed death warrant.

Plenty of leftist keep making this claim so on face value I'd say the opposite would be closer to the truth.

Lets do a quick review.
White House-run by a leftist now and will next time as well unless the GOP runs a conservative candidate.
Senate-run by a leftist now but things might change next year. Looks better and better everyday for the GOP.
House-run by the GOP. It ain't changing unless they pass this bill.

By the time Obama is out of office those that have told lie after lie supporting his every incompetent move will be out of breath. And whoever it is from the -ist party that runs for President is by default going to be carrying a lot of his dead weight. That being 8 years of a bad economy, 8 years of record unemployment, 8 years of record deficits, Obamacare and the lack of healthcare that goes with it, 8 years of disastrous foreign policy,and on and on.

Just a few short years ago, when the -ists took our freedom away and passed Obamacare in the middle of the night, in backroom deals and by a budget bill that nobody read, that too was supposed to be the end of the GOP. Then the next election came along and it didn't happen that way as people capable of thought or those that do not want to create a permanent underclass in America, voted against the -ists. The -ists lost control of the House.
Of course the GOP did do something stupid by running Romney for President as conservatives backed him but not completely and the issue of Romneycare in Mass. was a big one. Dumb on their part.

So right now, I'd say it's anybody's game for President , next time around.

But lets also look at the state level. GOP has a lot of governor's. GOP controls a lot of legislatures. Lot of GOP mayors out there. So just who is it, besides a bunch of wishful thinkers that are silly enough to think they can repeat that bogus phrase and get them to pass that immigration criminal amnesty bill?
 
the republicans have been in the house for over 2 1/2 years, and you believe that everything that they have ever sent to the senate was voted on?

just as one party does something, so does the other party, neither one are different.

where does it say in the constitution that the senate and house is required to give every piece of legislation a up or down vote?
 
Plenty of leftist keep making this claim so on face value I'd say the opposite would be closer to the truth.

Lets do a quick review.
White House-run by a leftist now and will next time as well unless the GOP runs a conservative candidate.
Senate-run by a leftist now but things might change next year. Looks better and better everyday for the GOP.
House-run by the GOP. It ain't changing unless they pass this bill.

Because of two factors
1- off year elections are more favorable to republicans than presidential elections due to lower Democratic turnout
2- horribly gerrymandered districts all over the nation due Republican control of the last redistricting

I agree that there is a very good chance the Republicans will take the Senate next year and hold the House.

I will also bet a hell of a lot of money that the Dems take the White House next election and for the foreseeable future. Eventually, perhaps in three or four more off year election cycles, those demographic time bombs will explode for the Republicans and the gerrymandering of 2010 will not even save them any more.
 
Because of two factors
1- off year elections are more favorable to republicans than presidential elections due to lower Democratic turnout
2- horribly gerrymandered districts all over the nation due Republican control of the last redistricting

I agree that there is a very good chance the Republicans will take the Senate next year and hold the House.

I will also bet a hell of a lot of money that the Dems take the White House next election and for the foreseeable future. Eventually, perhaps in three or four more off year election cycles, those demographic time bombs will explode for the Republicans and the gerrymandering of 2010 will not even save them any more.

Anything to see that asshole Harry Reid gone.
 
The thing about defeating a bill via not holding a vote is that it gives a bad impression. Refusing to vote makes the public feel like congress isn't doing its job. Their job is to vote. Filibusters are methods to avoid doing their job. Blocking votes are methods to avoid doing their job. Defeating a bill by voting it down has the same effect, but involves congress actually doing the job they've been hired to do. House Republicans would be facing less backlash if they'd actually voted on the bill and defeated it.

No, this is not the legislatives job. Their job is to do what is best for the US of A. That is their primary...and pretty much ONLY...responsibility. If that means not holding up a P.O.S. bill to vote because it is a P.O.S. bill is doing thier job.
 
See, that's the issue OC.

The "Carrots", other than simply being able to stya here, can't legally be enacted BY THIS LAW without the "Sticks" occuring. It would take an entirely new law amending this one to allow the end game "carrots" of a green card to occur without the sticks happening.

Don't believe that for one second. There are a couple of ways in which our government can ignore the sticks. All quite legal dontcha know. ;)

1: Obama can pass an executive order bypassing those sticks. Don't believe me? He is currently giving green cards to illegal aliens right now instead of deporting them like the law says to do.

2: Our legislative branch can sneak in some clause in a totally un-related bill that can abolish those sticks with none the wiser until it is too late. After all, its already been proven that our elected officials don't even read what is put before them before they vote on it. And its been proven that they will do that very thing.

3: Have their lawyers find loop holes.
 
Because of two factors
1- off year elections are more favorable to republicans than presidential elections due to lower Democratic turnout
2- horribly gerrymandered districts all over the nation due Republican control of the last redistricting

I agree that there is a very good chance the Republicans will take the Senate next year and hold the House.

I will also bet a hell of a lot of money that the Dems take the White House next election and for the foreseeable future. Eventually, perhaps in three or four more off year election cycles, those demographic time bombs will explode for the Republicans and the gerrymandering of 2010 will not even save them any more.

I think viewing things through just the lens of race is going to sooner or later turn out to be a huge mistake for the -ist party. That will happen either when the well runs dry from the government trough or when people finally see it for what it is. That of course being when groups of people finally get tired of being told they are not smart enough, not good enough or just can't make it because of something that happened years and years ago. And that's all the Dems offer.

Am I supposed to think that Democrats don't use gerrymandering? I don't and won't with reason.
 
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