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John Boehner: No House vote on Senate immigration bill

Unitedwestand13 said:
on which bills if you can be specific is the senate holding up a vote.
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>"President Obama and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) have continuously blamed Republicans for blocking jobs bills. But this is simply not the case. The Republican-led House has passed more than 15 bills that will spur job growth while the Democratic-led Senate has failed to act."<
15 Real Jobs Bills Stalled in the Senate | FreedomWorks

Harry Reid-controlled U.S. Senate blocking 39 jobs bills from the House"
Harry Reid-controlled U.S. Senate blocking 39 jobs bills from the House: yay or nay?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Did you miss this
Senate Adds Border Security Measure To Immigration Bill : The Two-Way : NPR
McCain: 'Most Militarized Border Since Berlin Wall' (VIDEO)

Seems like a **** ton of border security. You should be going crazy.


But in other words if this immigration bill fails, there will be no immigration bill and it will be another major loss for Republicans... So go ahead i guess in your book you loose either way.
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You hit the nail on the head. Yes, we lose either way if this bill is passed, or killed. If our illustrious government would have upheld the law, and not interfered with states trying to uphold the law over the past 40 yrs, we would not be in this mess. Honestly, based on their lack of courage, Republicans deserve to lose. Both parties suck swamp water. Throwing what they call a **** load of security at the border now is like waiving a small thin stick at a hugh flock of sparrows, that have already passed you. It's all for show and won't fix anything. Laws have been broken and nobody gives a ****.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Did you miss this
Senate Adds Border Security Measure To Immigration Bill : The Two-Way : NPR
McCain: 'Most Militarized Border Since Berlin Wall' (VIDEO)

Seems like a **** ton of border security. You should be going crazy.


But in other words if this immigration bill fails, there will be no immigration bill and it will be another major loss for Republicans... So go ahead i guess in your book you loose either way.
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I think the problem with this bill is that it basically addresses the actual illegal immigrants NOW, but puts a "promise" on border security.

A similiar "promise" was done with the Reagan amnisty bill in regards to border security that STILL hasn't been addresses really to this day.

I would be fully supportive of this bill if it starts implementing Border security NOW before illegals are given a path to citizenship.

Secure the boarders NOW, then start addressing the illegal immigrants IMO.
 
ToastyOats said:
An immigration bill that beefs up the bejeesus out of border security, gives the money for it up front, and provides for a long, tough, but real pathway to citizenship, and it was passed by a bipartisan supermajority; BUT, that's not good enough???
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Didn't we do that in the mid-80's as well?
 
Without commenting on the bill itself, this move by Boehner seems like a very bad idea for the Republican party. This will turn into Republicans "obstructing" a high profile bi-partisan passed piece of legislation from the Senate which, fair or not, will allow Democrats to further push the narrative that Republicans only care about old white men.

Stuff like fascinates me with the inner workings of the Republican party. Is Boehner making this decision alone? Was this the Republicans plan all along? Is Boehner bowing to constituent pressure or pressure from House members. I think it'd be interesting to know the wheeling and dealing going on right now in the Republican party.
 
There is a very reasonable explanation of why they are holding it up. The Obama administration has shown the tendency to enforce what they want to enforce and ignore what they want to ignore. So sending them an immigration bill with enforcement of any kind simply means he will accept the legalization and ignore the enforcement. So give him no bill and withhold his ability to legalize those in our country illegally.

If even establishment DC has recognized that Obama is a fraud, how long will it be before the establishment left gets it as well?
Hint: some already have---criticism on Prism and Syria show that.
 
Slyfox696 said:
Without commenting on the bill itself, this move by Boehner seems like a very bad idea for the Republican party. This will turn into Republicans "obstructing" a high profile bi-partisan passed piece of legislation from the Senate which, fair or not, will allow Democrats to further push the narrative that Republicans only care about old white men.

Stuff like fascinates me with the inner workings of the Republican party. Is Boehner making this decision alone? Was this the Republicans plan all along? Is Boehner bowing to constituent pressure or pressure from House members. I think it'd be interesting to know the wheeling and dealing going on right now in the Republican party.
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I don't agree with you often, but I think you are spot on here.

On the topic of immigration reform I don't believe it's needed. I think all that needs to be done is take a close look at current laws and tweak them to bring them up to date.
 
There was talk during the process of the Senate Bill that there would be hard metrics needed for the "pathway" to come into play.

Did that make it into the final bill that passed?

That would be a HUGE factor in me agreeing with Boehner or not here.
 
Zyphlin said:
There was talk during the process of the Senate Bill that there would be hard metrics needed for the "pathway" to come into play.

Did that make it into the final bill that passed?

That would be a HUGE factor in me agreeing with Boehner or not here.
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The trigger ammendments to the bill were in the McConnell portion of the bill and were voted down. There is no reason to believe Obama will conduct the enforcement in the bill and every reason to believe he will just begin amnesty and waive those requirements he doesnt agree with due to "hardship" or legal "exigencies".

Hes not interested in enforcing the law, hes interested in enforcing the laws he agrees with politically.
 
boehner can't control his own caucus, as proven by the failure to pass a recent farm bill because not enough republicans supported it.
 
OpportunityCost said:
The trigger ammendments to the bill were in the McConnell portion of the bill and were voted down. There is no reason to believe Obama will conduct the enforcement in the bill and every reason to believe he will just begin amnesty and waive those requirements he doesnt agree with due to "hardship" or legal "exigencies".

Hes not interested in enforcing the law, hes interested in enforcing the laws he agrees with politically.
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See, now I'm confused. I did a bit of quick research and it seems that prior to being able to apply for the an actual green card the government needs to show:

100% role out of E-Verify
90% apprehension rate on the border
The development and implimentation of a Border Fence plan
Survellience of 100% of the border

That seems to at least provide some sort of requirement that the government makes good, unless it's a situation where it can simply reach the goal and then stop. IE, get to a 90% apprehension rate for a period of time and then pull back enforcement.

My question would be WHAT the RPI status entails. Voting rights? Ability to apply for food stamps or welfare? Etc.
 
It more shows that the Republicans are at least holding up the Liberal Agenda in destroying America. It's a start in stopping Obama and his cronies.

Slyfox696 said:
Without commenting on the bill itself, this move by Boehner seems like a very bad idea for the Republican party. This will turn into Republicans "obstructing" a high profile bi-partisan passed piece of legislation from the Senate which, fair or not, will allow Democrats to further push the narrative that Republicans only care about old white men.

Stuff like fascinates me with the inner workings of the Republican party. Is Boehner making this decision alone? Was this the Republicans plan all along? Is Boehner bowing to constituent pressure or pressure from House members. I think it'd be interesting to know the wheeling and dealing going on right now in the Republican party.
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Lukas105 said:
It more shows that the Republicans are at least holding up the Liberal Agenda in destroying America. It's a start in stopping Obama and his cronies.
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apparently boehner is not a effective leader because he cannot get a farm bill passed because some conservatives believe it does not cut food stamps benefits enough.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
apparently boehner is not a effective leader because he cannot get a farm bill passed because some conservatives believe it does not cut food stamps benefits enough.
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The farm bill is a monstrosity that would never get passed piecemeal. Thats the problem---if you break a bill down into pieces and 80% of it wont get passed, why are we lumping it into one bill so 100% of it gets passed?

Same for the immigration bill Zyph, Obama wants it all passed together so he can give the carrots and burn the sticks.
 
And? Anything to stop unconstitutional actions are welcome. Even if they are ineffective, the thought and action is there.
Unitedwestand13 said:
apparently boehner is not a effective leader because he cannot get a farm bill passed because some conservatives believe it does not cut food stamps benefits enough.
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Slyfox696 said:
Without commenting on the bill itself, this move by Boehner seems like a very bad idea for the Republican party. This will turn into Republicans "obstructing" a high profile bi-partisan passed piece of legislation from the Senate which, fair or not, will allow Democrats to further push the narrative that Republicans only care about old white men.

Stuff like fascinates me with the inner workings of the Republican party. Is Boehner making this decision alone? Was this the Republicans plan all along? Is Boehner bowing to constituent pressure or pressure from House members. I think it'd be interesting to know the wheeling and dealing going on right now in the Republican party.
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Most of them are in "safe" districts meaning that the Republican is all but assured winning the election. That being the case, the thing they have to fear most is a primary challenge from the right. So going hard to the right takes that out of the picture, thus practically ensuring their re-election. They don't have to win a national race, they just have to hold on to their districts.
 
OpportunityCost said:
The farm bill is a monstrosity that would never get passed piecemeal. Thats the problem---if you break a bill down into pieces and 80% of it wont get passed, why are we lumping it into one bill so 100% of it gets passed?

Same for the immigration bill Zyph, Obama wants it all passed together so he can give the carrots and burn the sticks.
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if it was split into pieces, the Food stamp cuts would die a slow death of being pidgin holed in the senate. besides boehner would not dare separate the farm bill into peices, because he will draw the wrath of the conservatives for not including the draconian cuts they want and also draw the wrath of the agricultural buissness and their allies in congress who actually want a deal done.
 
Lukas105 said:
And? Anything to stop unconstitutional actions are welcome. Even if they are ineffective, the thought and action is there.
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as a great president once said

In any moment of decision, the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.
Theodore Roosevelt
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Boehner is guilty of the sin of doing nothing.
 
The thing about defeating a bill via not holding a vote is that it gives a bad impression. Refusing to vote makes the public feel like congress isn't doing its job. Their job is to vote. Filibusters are methods to avoid doing their job. Blocking votes are methods to avoid doing their job. Defeating a bill by voting it down has the same effect, but involves congress actually doing the job they've been hired to do. House Republicans would be facing less backlash if they'd actually voted on the bill and defeated it.
 
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