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    Re: John Boehner: No House vote on Senate immigration bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    how can you force 20 million people to leave if they don't want to? are you suggesting we force them to leave at gunpoint?
    I'm curious - how long do you think illegals would remain in the country if they weren't being given, in many states, and from many businesses the basic benefits of citizenship, such as jobs, healthcare, education, etc.?

    Perhaps the easiest way to cut down on the numbers would be to eliminate access to all these benefits and then, only the criminal or the wealthy will be able to stay - eventually, the criminals will be caught and deported, and the wealthy can stay and spend because they don't cost your society anything.
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    Re: John Boehner: No House vote on Senate immigration bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Meaningless extremist reaction.

    You overlook the first-step obvious, understandably.

    We simply make a united effort to prevent transactions by illegals, no jobs, therefore no cash, no retail credit purchases, no healthcare except emergency life-saving, etc.

    They will then be supported by sympathizers in America for a short time, before they leave to return home to a more financially secure climate before the sympathizers' money runs out.

    It really is that simple.

    They deserve hard time for their trespassing and multiple felony thefts.

    That they will be getting off virtually unpunished, merely having to return the jobs, classrooms, living space, road space, etc., etc., etc., American resources they stole, they should feel very, very lucky.

    But, if they resist belligerently at that point, gunpoint may indeed be necessary.

    American citizens deserve no less of an effort.
    so basically stop all financial activity of a certian group and make it impossible to maintain a standard of living just because of their legal status. only one problem: how can you find all 20 million illegal immigrants? they aren't all in one place.

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    Re: John Boehner: No House vote on Senate immigration bill

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    consider the data from this link

    SNAP Monthly Data

    consider how 20 billion in cuts will affect a program which currently has to serve 40 million people.

    it is no big surprise why the number skyrocketed around 2008, given the financial crash that year.

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    Re: John Boehner: No House vote on Senate immigration bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    so basically stop all financial activity of a certian group and make it impossible to maintain a standard of living just because of their legal status.
    Absolutely, yes.

    This "certain group" are people who are trespassers and multiple-count thieves.

    By taking this ethically appropriate action against their on-going criminal activity we function to prevent it, to put an end to it, obviously.


    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    only one problem: how can you find all 20 million illegal immigrants? they aren't all in one place.
    We don't need to "find" all 20 million illegal aliens, or "illegals" for short. (They simply aren't "immigrants", as I accurately pointed out to you previously, so it is erroneous to call them illegal "immigrants" -- the proper government statute term for them is "illegal aliens", or "illegals" for short.)

    We simply begin enforcing the recently improved e-verify with unscrupulous Benedict Arnold business owners and managers highly suspected of hiring illegals.

    We thereby catch the offending illegals and their accomplice business owners/managers.

    Once these illegals can no longer find work, they will run out of cash.

    We also step up enforcement searches of identify fraud, which will catch illegals' credit cards under forged names and the like.

    It can be done, and comparatively easily.

    But, again, you focus, and erroneously so, on low level mechanics, when the matter is one of high level philosophical ethics.

    Forcing self-deportation of the 20 million illegals is simply the right ethical thing to do by the foundational people to whom American law and officials are responsible and accountable: American citizens, the people whom the 20 million illegals egregiously wronged.

    It is important in making correct decisions, especially in a country where the Constitution and rule of law is rightly respected, to put doing the right thing ahead of "oh, it's just too hard" mechanics whining by liberal Dems with a political power-play agenda.
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    Re: John Boehner: No House vote on Senate immigration bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i am not a fan of bills which are unconstitutional, but the republicans since taking the house have passed many jobs bills and sent them over to the senate, where harry has tabled them, and will not let them come to a vote on the senate floor.
    Please name ONE jobs related bill that has been held up in the Senate. Just one JOBS Bill as you say. All I've seen or heard coming from the House are abortion restriction bills and revoke RomneyCare bills.
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    Re: John Boehner: No House vote on Senate immigration bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Please name ONE jobs related bill that has been held up in the Senate. Just one JOBS Bill as you say. All I've seen or heard coming from the House are abortion restriction bills and revoke RomneyCare bills.
    no... i an not going to post anything, becuase if you believe that one party is so bad, and the other is so good, then you need to do some soul searching.

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    Re: John Boehner: No House vote on Senate immigration bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no... i an not going to post anything, becuase if you believe that one party is so bad, and the other is so good, then you need to do some soul searching.
    I think they are both pitiful parties, but we weren't talking about parties, we're talking about branches of government here. So, since you have no proof for your claim, it's clear it must be one of the Faux News "factoids".
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    Re: John Boehner: No House vote on Senate immigration bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    I think they are both pitiful parties, but we weren't talking about parties, we're talking about branches of government here. So, since you have no proof for your claim, it's clear it must be one of the Faux News "factoids".
    the republicans have been in the house for over 2 1/2 years, and you believe that everything that they have ever sent to the senate was voted on?

    just as one party does something, so does the other party, neither one are different.

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    Re: John Boehner: No House vote on Senate immigration bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the republicans have been in the house for over 2 1/2 years, and you believe that everything that they have ever sent to the senate was voted on?

    just as one party does something, so does the other party, neither one are different.
    I didn't say that, and you are intentionally trying to stretch what I did. I asked specifically about the person claiming that jobs bills had been sent and tabled. That is not true. Now surely the revoke RomneyCare and advanced abortion restrictions and similar bull****, surely, but not any jobs bills.

    So you can take your attempt to rewrite what I'm discussing by exaggerating and hyping into something entirely more broad and general than I focused on if it makes you feel like somehow your FNC bull**** is viable.
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    Re: John Boehner: No House vote on Senate immigration bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Absolutely, yes.

    This "certain group" are people who are trespassers and multiple-count thieves.

    By taking this ethically appropriate action against their on-going criminal activity we function to prevent it, to put an end to it, obviously.



    We don't need to "find" all 20 million illegal aliens, or "illegals" for short. (They simply aren't "immigrants", as I accurately pointed out to you previously, so it is erroneous to call them illegal "immigrants" -- the proper government statute term for them is "illegal aliens", or "illegals" for short.)

    We simply begin enforcing the recently improved e-verify with unscrupulous Benedict Arnold business owners and managers highly suspected of hiring illegals.

    We thereby catch the offending illegals and their accomplice business owners/managers.

    Once these illegals can no longer find work, they will run out of cash.

    We also step up enforcement searches of identify fraud, which will catch illegals' credit cards under forged names and the like.

    It can be done, and comparatively easily.

    But, again, you focus, and erroneously so, on low level mechanics, when the matter is one of high level philosophical ethics.

    Forcing self-deportation of the 20 million illegals is simply the right ethical thing to do by the foundational people to whom American law and officials are responsible and accountable: American citizens, the people whom the 20 million illegals egregiously wronged.

    It is important in making correct decisions, especially in a country where the Constitution and rule of law is rightly respected, to put doing the right thing ahead of "oh, it's just too hard" mechanics whining by liberal Dems with a political power-play agenda.
    You make a lousy ****ing centrist you know that? You sound like a mean ole conservative, busting crook asses all over. You really need to work on your liberal side.
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