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    Re: John Boehner: No House vote on Senate immigration bill

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Did you miss this
    Senate Adds Border Security Measure To Immigration Bill : The Two-Way : NPR
    McCain: 'Most Militarized Border Since Berlin Wall' (VIDEO)

    Seems like a **** ton of border security. You should be going crazy.


    But in other words if this immigration bill fails, there will be no immigration bill and it will be another major loss for Republicans... So go ahead i guess in your book you loose either way.
    I think the problem with this bill is that it basically addresses the actual illegal immigrants NOW, but puts a "promise" on border security.

    A similiar "promise" was done with the Reagan amnisty bill in regards to border security that STILL hasn't been addresses really to this day.

    I would be fully supportive of this bill if it starts implementing Border security NOW before illegals are given a path to citizenship.

    Secure the boarders NOW, then start addressing the illegal immigrants IMO.

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    Re: John Boehner: No House vote on Senate immigration bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ToastyOats View Post
    An immigration bill that beefs up the bejeesus out of border security, gives the money for it up front, and provides for a long, tough, but real pathway to citizenship, and it was passed by a bipartisan supermajority; BUT, that's not good enough???
    Didn't we do that in the mid-80's as well?
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    Re: John Boehner: No House vote on Senate immigration bill

    Without commenting on the bill itself, this move by Boehner seems like a very bad idea for the Republican party. This will turn into Republicans "obstructing" a high profile bi-partisan passed piece of legislation from the Senate which, fair or not, will allow Democrats to further push the narrative that Republicans only care about old white men.

    Stuff like fascinates me with the inner workings of the Republican party. Is Boehner making this decision alone? Was this the Republicans plan all along? Is Boehner bowing to constituent pressure or pressure from House members. I think it'd be interesting to know the wheeling and dealing going on right now in the Republican party.

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    Re: John Boehner: No House vote on Senate immigration bill

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read more: John Boehner: No House vote on Senate immigration bill - Ginger Gibson - POLITICO.com

    And we are back to the Republican house holding everything up again. Back to the good ol do nothing congress.. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    Holding up a bad bill? Didn't know that ws a bad thing....
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    Re: John Boehner: No House vote on Senate immigration bill

    There is a very reasonable explanation of why they are holding it up. The Obama administration has shown the tendency to enforce what they want to enforce and ignore what they want to ignore. So sending them an immigration bill with enforcement of any kind simply means he will accept the legalization and ignore the enforcement. So give him no bill and withhold his ability to legalize those in our country illegally.

    If even establishment DC has recognized that Obama is a fraud, how long will it be before the establishment left gets it as well?
    Hint: some already have---criticism on Prism and Syria show that.

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    Re: John Boehner: No House vote on Senate immigration bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Without commenting on the bill itself, this move by Boehner seems like a very bad idea for the Republican party. This will turn into Republicans "obstructing" a high profile bi-partisan passed piece of legislation from the Senate which, fair or not, will allow Democrats to further push the narrative that Republicans only care about old white men.

    Stuff like fascinates me with the inner workings of the Republican party. Is Boehner making this decision alone? Was this the Republicans plan all along? Is Boehner bowing to constituent pressure or pressure from House members. I think it'd be interesting to know the wheeling and dealing going on right now in the Republican party.
    I don't agree with you often, but I think you are spot on here.

    On the topic of immigration reform I don't believe it's needed. I think all that needs to be done is take a close look at current laws and tweak them to bring them up to date.
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    Re: John Boehner: No House vote on Senate immigration bill

    There was talk during the process of the Senate Bill that there would be hard metrics needed for the "pathway" to come into play.

    Did that make it into the final bill that passed?

    That would be a HUGE factor in me agreeing with Boehner or not here.

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    Re: John Boehner: No House vote on Senate immigration bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    There was talk during the process of the Senate Bill that there would be hard metrics needed for the "pathway" to come into play.

    Did that make it into the final bill that passed?

    That would be a HUGE factor in me agreeing with Boehner or not here.
    The trigger ammendments to the bill were in the McConnell portion of the bill and were voted down. There is no reason to believe Obama will conduct the enforcement in the bill and every reason to believe he will just begin amnesty and waive those requirements he doesnt agree with due to "hardship" or legal "exigencies".

    Hes not interested in enforcing the law, hes interested in enforcing the laws he agrees with politically.

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    Re: John Boehner: No House vote on Senate immigration bill

    boehner can't control his own caucus, as proven by the failure to pass a recent farm bill because not enough republicans supported it.

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    Re: John Boehner: No House vote on Senate immigration bill

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    The trigger ammendments to the bill were in the McConnell portion of the bill and were voted down. There is no reason to believe Obama will conduct the enforcement in the bill and every reason to believe he will just begin amnesty and waive those requirements he doesnt agree with due to "hardship" or legal "exigencies".

    Hes not interested in enforcing the law, hes interested in enforcing the laws he agrees with politically.
    See, now I'm confused. I did a bit of quick research and it seems that prior to being able to apply for the an actual green card the government needs to show:

    100% role out of E-Verify
    90% apprehension rate on the border
    The development and implimentation of a Border Fence plan
    Survellience of 100% of the border

    That seems to at least provide some sort of requirement that the government makes good, unless it's a situation where it can simply reach the goal and then stop. IE, get to a 90% apprehension rate for a period of time and then pull back enforcement.

    My question would be WHAT the RPI status entails. Voting rights? Ability to apply for food stamps or welfare? Etc.

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