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    Re: John Boehner: No House vote on Senate immigration bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    That would be fine too. Bohner is not god, and this authoritarian running of the house is what got him in trouble with the GOP recently. They are looking for an excuse to overthrow him, so he needs to quit acting like a King and start respecting the minority and the majority. The job of the House is not to consider whatever the majority wants but to consider bills brought up by the Senate and anyone else who brings something serious forth. I dont like the Senate bill, but they passed it, so it should be voted on.
    be careful though; a discharge petittion requires only a simple majority to pass. so if 17 republicans break ranks and vote yes on the senate immigration bill and if all 201 democrats vote yes for it, it would pass the house with a simple majority of 218.

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    Re: John Boehner: No House vote on Senate immigration bill

    Quote Originally Posted by windowdressing View Post
    How many reps missed the vote because it was in the middle of the night? Do you know what the final tally was? Funny how folks talk about how it was sneaked thru when for five years now it's probably what we've been talking about most ... funny world we live in ...

    Anyway, we've taken care of all of our problems, so it's time for the GOP to take another repeal vote ...
    How many? Gee, I don't know. It was Christmas Eve and all.

    Besides, had you bothered to notice, I haven't suggested there was anything procedurally wrong with the process. It's slathered with dog crap, and those who joined into the unilateral vote deserve the well earned wrath from the 10's of millions of people who are not pleased with their action, but it is the law of the land, no matter how ugly the plan has proved to be.

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    Re: John Boehner: No House vote on Senate immigration bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    How many? Gee, I don't know. It was Christmas Eve and all.

    Besides, had you bothered to notice, I haven't suggested there was anything procedurally wrong with the process. It's slathered with dog crap, and those who joined into the unilateral vote deserve the well earned wrath from the 10's of millions of people who are not pleased with their action, but it is the law of the land, no matter how ugly the plan has proved to be.
    in case you haven't noticed Ocean, it's not news when politics is dirty, sneaky, shady, etc. ... it's just that when Obama became President, all of a sudden all sorts of people from the right started noticing how dirty politics is for the first time ...

    as far as ACA is concerned, as flawed as it is, I predict that it will ultimately be a success for the most part, despite GOP attempts to sabotage it (and it may even cost them at the polls) ... we'll see ...

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    Re: John Boehner: No House vote on Senate immigration bill

    Quote Originally Posted by windowdressing View Post
    in case you haven't noticed Ocean, it's not news when politics is dirty, sneaky, shady, etc. ... it's just that when Obama became President, all of a sudden all sorts of people from the right started noticing how dirty politics is for the first time ...

    as far as ACA is concerned, as flawed as it is, I predict that it will ultimately be a success for the most part, despite GOP attempts to sabotage it (and it may even cost them at the polls) ... we'll see ...

    I'm fairly certain "people from the right" were well aware of how dirty politics were long before President Obama took office.

    What I'm guessing they probably weren't aware of was the outright bigotry that would be launched by the left when they were accused of being racists for mearly exercising their constitutional right to voice concerns about pending agendas and other government objectives. It is reasonable to expect that force feeding dramatic legislation like Obamacare would lead to loud objection. It is inexcusable those objections would be met with claims of racist origin. That continues to be shameful.

    As to Obamacare itself, I have no doubt the hope of the left is to manipulate and tweek, using the stong arm of the IRS, and other such agencies, to try and push Obamacare into a single payer system. The cows may have left the barn for good. Amazing that so many are anxious to join in the folly other countries have been suffering with.

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    Re: John Boehner: No House vote on Senate immigration bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I'm fairly certain "people from the right" were well aware of how dirty politics were long before President Obama took office.

    What I'm guessing they probably weren't aware of was the outright bigotry that would be launched by the left when they were accused of being racists for mearly exercising their constitutional right to voice concerns about pending agendas and other government objectives. It is reasonable to expect that force feeding dramatic legislation like Obamacare would lead to loud objection. It is inexcusable those objections would be met with claims of racist origin. That continues to be shameful.

    As to Obamacare itself, I have no doubt the hope of the left is to manipulate and tweek, using the stong arm of the IRS, and other such agencies, to try and push Obamacare into a single payer system. The cows may have left the barn for good. Amazing that so many are anxious to join in the folly other countries have been suffering with.
    why do you refer to legislation that was voted on as force feeding? and, please, stop the victim crap ... if someone says or does something bigoted, then don't be surprised if someone calls her/him on it ... not all opposition to Obama is racial ... in fact, most of it is not I suspect, but too much of it has been, and even a little is too much and should be condemned ...

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    Re: John Boehner: No House vote on Senate immigration bill

    Quote Originally Posted by windowdressing View Post
    why do you refer to legislation that was voted on as force feeding? and, please, stop the victim crap ... if someone says or does something bigoted, then don't be surprised if someone calls her/him on it ... not all opposition to Obama is racial ... in fact, most of it is not I suspect, but too much of it has been, and even a little is too much and should be condemned ...
    Why the force feed reference? You really need to ask that?

    As to the racist stuff, it is what it is. Let's not forget the revelations from the Journolist scandal. The left has extremely poor ground to stand on. It would have been better to debate the ideas and concerns than set out to redefine low.

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    Re: John Boehner: No House vote on Senate immigration bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Then the Senate will just do the same thing. Someone needs to be the bigger man. Bring it up for a vote and fail it.
    The senate does it on a regular basis. For a while there the Dems were "leading" with impunity, Obama was doing he wanted by executive order and Reid was refusing to introduce anything they didn't want. The "bigger man" game in Congress is a lost cause. It wouldn't matter how far Reps went trying to be cooperative, the Dems are still going to play childish gotcha games. They have proven it over and over. Refusing to discuss a BS immigration bill with a poor outcome on a manufactured deadline is the best thing the house can do. You can call them "do nothing" all you want, it's better than doing the wrong thing for false reasons.

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    Re: John Boehner: No House vote on Senate immigration bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    be careful though; a discharge petittion requires only a simple majority to pass. so if 17 republicans break ranks and vote yes on the senate immigration bill and if all 201 democrats vote yes for it, it would pass the house with a simple majority of 218.
    If that the will of the house, then so be it. I dont beleive in tyranny by the minority or the majority.

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    Re: John Boehner: No House vote on Senate immigration bill

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    The senate does it on a regular basis. For a while there the Dems were "leading" with impunity, Obama was doing he wanted by executive order and Reid was refusing to introduce anything they didn't want. The "bigger man" game in Congress is a lost cause. It wouldn't matter how far Reps went trying to be cooperative, the Dems are still going to play childish gotcha games. They have proven it over and over. Refusing to discuss a BS immigration bill with a poor outcome on a manufactured deadline is the best thing the house can do. You can call them "do nothing" all you want, it's better than doing the wrong thing for false reasons.
    I dont think it is. However, one side blocking the other side only ensures they will do it back. Nothing will ever get done because nothing ever gets done. Instead, the House should bring the bill up for a vote, let people amend it, and then vote on the bill. The will of the people is expressed through the congress, everyone in congress, not just the majority.

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    Re: John Boehner: No House vote on Senate immigration bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    I dont think it is. However, one side blocking the other side only ensures they will do it back. Nothing will ever get done because nothing ever gets done. Instead, the House should bring the bill up for a vote, let people amend it, and then vote on the bill. The will of the people is expressed through the congress, everyone in congress, not just the majority.
    I think what we are seeing is a reflection of the the will of the people. The bill as it stands is nothing but political grandstanding for the purpose of division and power. Any immigration bill that does not secure the border is not an immigration bill at all but a ploy for votes. Frankly I would have been very disappointed if the house fell for this crap again.

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