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    Re: Mos Def, a.k.a. Yasiin Bey, Submits to Gitmo-Style Force-Feeding

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    What evidence do you have that they are all terrorists?
    What evidence do you have that they are not? Why would the US Government hold these people there indefinitely? What would be the motive for that.

    Do you think Gitmo is a social club or something?

    Tell me something. Are you Pro Choice?

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    Re: Mos Def, a.k.a. Yasiin Bey, Submits to Gitmo-Style Force-Feeding

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Let them starve themselves to death

    *&^% em
    Yep, and Mr Def needs to be dropped off in the desert with an AK and told find his brothers and fight with them.
    Kill a couple US troops and he will see what the bad side of the US can be.
    People like him are attention whores, nothing more.

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    Re: Mos Def, a.k.a. Yasiin Bey, Submits to Gitmo-Style Force-Feeding

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    What evidence do you have that they are not?
    Saying that 166 have been cleared to release and the vast majority of them have not been charged with anything....


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    Re: Mos Def, a.k.a. Yasiin Bey, Submits to Gitmo-Style Force-Feeding

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Saying that 166 have been cleared to release and the vast majority of them have not been charged with anything....
    How many have been released only to go back out and commit more acts of terrorism?

    These Gitmo prisoners are not victims. Stop pretending like they are. If they want to starve themselves, *&^% em. Let them starve themselves to death.

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    Re: Mos Def, a.k.a. Yasiin Bey, Submits to Gitmo-Style Force-Feeding

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    How many have been released only to go back out and commit more acts of terrorism?

    These Gitmo prisoners are not victims. Stop pretending like they are.
    So if they are terrorists why cant anyone charge them? Why are they cleared to be released? And to answer your question none sense they have not been released even if they have been cleared to released.


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    Re: Mos Def, a.k.a. Yasiin Bey, Submits to Gitmo-Style Force-Feeding

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So if they are terrorists why cant anyone charge them? Why are they cleared to be released? And to answer your question none sense they have not been released even if they have been cleared to released.
    They are not criminals. They are terrorists. Enemy Combatants.

    Ex-Gitmo prisoner commits suicide attack - World news - Terrorism - Guantanamo | NBC News

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/07/us...itmo.html?_r=0

    WASHINGTON — Administration officials said Wednesday that a classified Pentagon report concludes that of some 560 detainees transferred abroad from the military prison at Guantánamo Bay, about one in five has engaged in, or is suspected of engaging in, terrorism or militant activity.

    The finding comes amid reports that one former Guantánamo detainee released in 2007 under the administration of President George W. Bush is now involved with a branch of Al Qaeda based in Yemen, a group that President Obama has said sponsored the attempt to bomb an American airliner on Christmas Day.

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    Re: Mos Def, a.k.a. Yasiin Bey, Submits to Gitmo-Style Force-Feeding

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    I wasn't drugged.

    When I was in the Army our medics used to practice on us. Tubes and IVs.

    So basiclly we're talking about 19-year-old kids with a few months of medical training and maybe 2 or 3 previous 'tubes under their belt intubating other 19-year-old kids in the muddy field behind the barracks for Wednesday's "Sergeants' Time" training.

    We're not exactly talking about experts doing the administration under ideal clinical conditions.

    And like I said, it wasn't comfortable by any means, and I probably wouldn't have done it unless I was voluntold to, but if you weren't ranting and raving and making some huge production about it and generally acting like an enormous pussy it wasn't exactly torture either.

    In retrospect, I guess there was some small degree of "drugging". They'd jam a little bit of some kind of topical anesthetic up our nose, and then coat the tube in some kind of lubricant, which I guess must have helped some. Wouldn't have wanted to do it "raw dog" (as the kids say).

    I assume the same procedure is used in Gitmo, though I haven't read the SOPs so I can't be sure.

    Anyhow, I'm giving you my personal experience in having this done to me a number of times under similar, if not identical, conditions and my personal observations of personally sitting there and watching it done to a dozen other guys.

    A few guys were kind of squeemish, one guy threw up, but nobody carried on like Mos Def in that video.

    There is NO DOUBT in my mind that he was hamming it up for the camera.
    I would imagine the gitmo process is more ideal than a pimply field medic intubing you behind the bunkhouse

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    Re: Mos Def, a.k.a. Yasiin Bey, Submits to Gitmo-Style Force-Feeding

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Saying that 166 have been cleared to release and the vast majority of them have not been charged with anything....

    while I think there are plenty of valid questions concerning Gitmo, leaving out the fact that 16% of those released have been confirmed as returning to terrorist activities is a bit, well, dishonest. The same with ignoring the list of "highly suspected" individuals is even higher

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    Re: Mos Def, a.k.a. Yasiin Bey, Submits to Gitmo-Style Force-Feeding

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So if they are terrorists why cant anyone charge them?
    likely because of how MI is collected ...

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    Re: Mos Def, a.k.a. Yasiin Bey, Submits to Gitmo-Style Force-Feeding

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    While at this point the force feedings are unavoidable (damned if you do, damned if you don't), they shouldn't have been necessary for many of these people in the first place. There is little to no evidence against many of these men. Most of them were captured by other tribes seeking reward from our govt. And out of the hundreds that have been held, only 10 have been charged with a crime. Either bring up charges or release the men.
    Okay, fine, let's take what you say as a given. So UNTIL that happens what do you propose we do in the event of hunger strikes? On a parallel note, isn't the hunger strike just a variation of "I'm going to hold my breath until I'm blue in the face unless you give me what I want"? Doesn't work for the countless number of children who have threatened their parents with it, why would any adult think it will work here?

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