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And now you're outright lying. Not surprising from a traitor plotting to overthrow our government.
Once more, you're lying.
I said nothing of the such. Just because you keep trying to impose your own beliefs, don't twist mine into something I never said.
I've already explained that.
You act like Snowden and Manning are in the same situations, despite me already explaining they are not.
But I do think you have no problem lying. As you've clearly demonstrated in this post.
Why would I want him to suffer? You do realize I have no problem with his action of making the public aware, right? Could you be anymore dishonest than you've been in this post? It'd be nearly impossible for you to do so.
You obviously do have a problem with his action of making the public aware, because you believe he should be prosecuted.
If all you're going to do is hurl insults at me like that traitor remark, I don't see how we could have a respectful debate, so goodbye.
No, it goes instead to FISA, which is appointed by the Chief Justice of the SCOTUS to act on his behalf. If all three branches of the government are in agreement on the Constitutionality of a program, then individuals are not authorized to place their personal definitions of Constitutionality above that decision as regards the handling of classified material. I cannot, for example, decide that the CIA putting undercover members in civilian housing violates the 3rd Amendment and therefore 'out' every undercover agent and member of the Witness Protection Program. Furthermore, the American people do not, in fact, have a right to know about individual Intelligence Oversight violations, as the harm in doing so outweighs the benefits. They have a government that they have lent authority to act on their behalf in classified matters. They have lent no such authority to Edward Snowden, meaning that he is making life and death decisions on their behalf without their consent.
So far in this debate I've tried to make sure I wasn't impugning your ability to rationally dissect evidence, or interact with the idea that there might be people who keep secrets in order to protect others in anything other than an emotionally hostile manner. You may want to consider the potential benefits of reciprocating the assumption of good intentions. For one thing, it would keep you from saying idiotic things. Such as this.
No - but the risk to my family is increased. Not only are asymetric enemy forces such as Al-Qaeda adjusting their operations to ensure that they are no longer exposed by the programs that Snowden has publicized, but the Russians and Chinese are being treated to a bonanza of our nations' secrets.
Fail: Libertarians are supposed to know that liberty is the ability to move, think, and do unhindered. Not a single iota of your liberty has been removed. You are not even being observed more than you already were.
Of course not, especially given that the person apparently wasn't all that familiar the program to begin with.
Yes, if Snowden had tried to whistleblow but failed that would make a difference as it would at least speak to intention. Since he did not, but instead apparently started working with the intention to steal classified information, regardless of what he ran across, the "constitutionality" issue is not his motive. His "intention" was not to reveal an unconstitutional program, his intention was to steal and publicize classified information. The Constitutionality question is a fig leaf he has chosen to try to excuse his actions. This is the issue you are going to have problems with - Snowden never had any intention whatsoever of being a whistleblower, and had no way of knowing whether or not attempting to do so would have been effective.
What he DID was not whistleblow. What he DID was "espionage". He did not when he started nor did he ever at any point in his 'career' with Booz Allen have any intention whatsoever of attempting to whistleblow, nor did he have any way of knowing whether or not such an attempt would have been effective meaning that your option #2 is built upon false assumptions.
To steal and publicize secrets because you want to be famous?
Something which snowden had no way of knowing.
I'd say #2. But in that instance (and, this is important) you have to be willing to pay the penalty for your own decision to violate your non-disclosure agreement. If you feel strongly enough about the abuses you think you are witnessing to be willing to override all three branches of government and your superiors in such a manner that would conceivably place other Americans' lives at risk, you should at least be feeling strongly enough to go to jail.
But the logic you are running here has issues as well. For my "undercover" example above - how does your line of reason keep me from actually exposing all those names, when I really truly believe that the entire government is violating the Constitution?
1) It comes down to him putting the American people before the politicians. We deserve to know about this program. They can not just do whatever the hell they want.
2) There's no good reason to keep this a secret. The value of this knowledge to the people is far more valuable than the "damage" of the enemy knowing of it.
3) You and your family have an exponentially higher chance of dying in a head on collision on the way home from church than you have of being attacked by terrorists.
4) So because they were already spying on us, that somehow changes things? Are you the type of person that when something's screwed up, you throw your hands up and say "It was already like that!"
5-6) I definitely don't fault him for not using the proper channels (whether they existed or not), because I know nothing would have come from it. You like bringing up IG so much. Tell me about the last time an E-1 has called IG to challenge a presidential or congressional decision.
7) I don't think it has anything to do with him wanting to be famous. People keep saying "He's just doing this for himself". Which makes no sense at all. Yes, he's completely ****ing himself over, ruining his own life, to benefit himself. He just might spend the rest of his life in a cage, which he's doing to benefit himself.
8) I feel like Snowden could know it wouldn't work, just as I can tell you it wouldn't. I once called IG on my 1SG for trying to blackmail me into re-enlisting, and all they did was talk to him. I had to get a lawyer through JAG and fight for 6 months before I won. And that's just challenging someone a few spots over me. How serious do you think a battle between the president and congress vs a contractor would go?
9) They would lock him in a cage and we'd never hear from him again, like they've done to manning. Even manning's trial is secret. That's not facing the music, or standing up for yourself, that's just suicide. It'd be like the founding fathers turning themselves into the British government to be tried so that they could state their case for American independence in court.