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    re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolás Maduro Says[W:271]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    There would be very few men who would ever get a trial more fair than Edward Snowden. The media circus/investigations would demand it.
    Well, now that I have your word.

    The problem here that so many of you are having is you think the government is a single entity, a big boogeyman living in front of our eyes. It's not. Our government is thousands of people, with their own power hungry agendas. It is people who need votes or who need the support of those who need votes. There are most certainly shadowy figures in government, but with the publicity this had, the spotlight would be far too bright for those shadows.
    Actually, that's not my problem. Don't try to read minds. You're not good at it. My problem is the the NSA in conjunction with the FBI, the Obama administration, the congressional intelligence committee and certain groups in the Justice Department decided to abuse their power. My problem is that all three branches of government - branches that are supposed to check and balance each other - have done nothing but reinforce each other. My problem is that in spite of all that and more, people like you would dismiss the issue at hand so freely.

    The fact is Edward Snowden ran because he didn't want to go to jail. He wanted the glory of exposing the government, without paying the price which came attached with it.
    Again, mind reading. Don't.

    While the ignorant Americans should be thankful to Snowden for bringing to light something they should have known years ago, it doesn't change the fact he was a coward for running, nor does it change the fact he is now in much greater danger than he would be if he had simply found a good lawyer and made his statements there.
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    re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolás Maduro Says[W:271]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    "Perhaps"....okkaaayy. So you allow for the possibility that it is an adolescent reaction to be more concerned with your interpretation of Snowden's behavior than you are with his revelation, but you're just going to go with the "coward" thing anyway, huh?
    What "revelation"? His information had been known for years, not to mention his revelation exposed nothing which actually violated any laws.

    And Snowden is a coward. He broke the law, he should stand trial and let a jury of his peers decide his fate. There's nothing more American than that, and for someone who claimed to do what he did because of patriotism, he sure doesn't seem to care about America now.

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    re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolás Maduro Says[W:271]

    Meh. Debating Snowden's cowardice is more fit for a conversation that also debates the merits of Dumbledore vs. Gandalf. Immature and irrelevant.

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    re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolás Maduro Says[W:271]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    1. I'd like to point out that you still haven't demonstrated that an effective system even exists.

    2. USA Today interviewed Thomas Drake, William Binney and J. Kirk Wiebe, three former NSA whistleblowers who "worked within the system" and failed before they went public.



    3 NSA veterans speak out on whistle-blower: We told you so

    You don't know what you're talking about.
    All four of these red blooded Americans would be people the founding fathers would be proud of as freedom loving patriots. Thanks for posting the video, they are rational, self-possessed, and courageous individuals.
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    re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolás Maduro Says[W:271]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Well, now that I have your word.
    It certainly makes more sense than your speculation which has no basis in reality.

    Actually, that's not my problem.
    It's the problem of many people in this thread.

    My problem is the the NSA in conjunction with the FBI, the Obama administration, the congressional intelligence committee and certain groups in the Justice Department decided to abuse their power.
    No, they didn't actually. Everything they did was well within their power.

    Now, I agree with you, it SHOULDN'T be in their power. But it is.

    Are you not American?
    Of course I am, but I was not ignorant to what was going on before I heard the name Edward Snowden. When I said "ignorant Americans", I was referring to those who did not know what was going on.

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    re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolás Maduro Says[W:271]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Maybe he'll become Communist! Or better yet, maybe he'll join Islam and come back to the U.S. with a special delivery strapped on his back! Wouldn't that be cool!


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    re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolás Maduro Says[W:271]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    No, they didn't actually. Everything they did was well within their power.
    I don't consider violating the 4th Amendment to be within anybody's power.

    Of course I am, but I was not ignorant to what was going on before I heard the name Edward Snowden. When I said "ignorant Americans", I was referring to those who did not know what was going on.
    Unless you possessed the classified information that Snowden revealed, then yes, you were ignorant. You did not know about PRISM. You did not know about the Verizon program. You, like most of the 7 billion people on this planet, may have believed or strongly suspected that the United States was engaging in some sort of program like the ones described, but you certainly did not know. And if you think that your belief or strong suspicion makes you a special snowflake, guess again.

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    re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolás Maduro Says[W:271]

    Yeah, he sounds like an authoritarian dictatorship lovin' communist here

    http://www.usatoday.com/media/cinematic/video/2450291/
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    re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolás Maduro Says[W:271]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    What "revelation"? His information had been known for years, not to mention his revelation exposed nothing which actually violated any laws.

    And Snowden is a coward. He broke the law, he should stand trial and let a jury of his peers decide his fate. There's nothing more American than that, and for someone who claimed to do what he did because of patriotism, he sure doesn't seem to care about America now.
    I believe what the US gov is doing with their spying is a far greater offense of the law and breach of American trust. Snowden revealed how we've been bugging our allies, which really reveals something about our hubris.
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    re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolás Maduro Says[W:271]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I don't consider violating the 4th Amendment to be within anybody's power.
    But not everyone agrees with you...making blanket statements which relate to your own beliefs is a waste of time.

    Again, I don't like what they are doing either. Don't misunderstand, I FULLY support legislation to curtail that aspect of their power. But it doesn't change the fact that what they were doing was still legal.

    Unless you possessed the classified information that Snowden revealed, then yes, you were ignorant. You did not know about PRISM.
    I didn't know the name, but knew full well the USA was intercepting communications. Hell, politicians try to pass laws all the time requiring ISPs to retain data on their users for increasingly longer periods, to be used in legal investigations. Here's an article on the data center in Utah, from a full year ago, which pretty much told people what was going on:

    The NSA Is Building the Country's Biggest Spy Center (Watch What You Say) | Threat Level | Wired.com

    Snowden's information about that did not come as a surprise to me or anyone who has been paying attention.

    You did not know about the Verizon program.
    But I DID know the government routinely receives information from media companies, whether it's cell phone companies or Google or Facebook, etc.

    Again, only ignorant people did not know this was going on.

    You, like most of the 7 billion people on this planet, may have believed or strongly suspected that the United States was engaging in some sort of program like the ones described, but you certainly did not know.
    Sure we did.

    USATODAY.com - NSA secret database report triggers fierce debate in Washington

    That's from 2006. You must be one of the ones who didn't know because you weren't paying attention.

    And if you think that your belief or strong suspicion makes you a special snowflake, guess again.
    It was neither belief nor suspicion, it was just a fact.
    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I believe what the US gov is doing with their spying is a far greater offense of the law and breach of American trust. Snowden revealed how we've been bugging our allies, which really reveals something about our hubris.
    Please.

    Of course we spy on our allies. They spy on us too. Of course we hack China, they hack us too. This information was not earth-shattering, like so many people seem to think it was.

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