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    re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolás Maduro Says[W:271]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I did not claim they would shut it down. However, if he had followed the legal procedures, it could be very possible that the actual legality of the program could be reviewed by the judicial branch. That is appropriate. Violating your freely given oaths, not so much.
    Right, so you claim that there are legal procedures that would have genuinely reviewed the legality of the program, but you don't actually have any details on the programs and their effectiveness. How convincing. Also, I assume his oath included something about defending the United States from domestic threats as well. Well, this bull**** program is a domestic threat. He kept is oath.

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    re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolás Maduro Says[W:271]

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Snowden had the legal ability to report what he felt were abuses to the appropriate Congressional committees, or the Inspector General in this case.

    As if individuals outside the parameters of national security have the right to dump classified documents that they happen to obtain. Simply absurd. Irrelevant though, as Snowden acquired the documents while still an employee of the NSA and through the NSA facility itself.
    Funny, his oath is to the constitution, not to "not embarass politicians". The committees wouldn't have done anything, because those committees were the same ones who approved the idea. You're living in a dream world if you think one of the lowest ranking guys to know a secret can say to the highest ranking guys "What you did is illegal and violates the constitution. Turn yourself in and apologize to the American public".

    I'd like to see evidence of a whistleblower protection system for highly classified information. You're just assuming there is one.
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    re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolás Maduro Says[W:271]

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Funny, his oath is to the constitution, not to "not embarass politicians". The committees wouldn't have done anything, because those committees were the same ones who approved the idea. You're living in a dream world if you think one of the lowest ranking guys to know a secret can say to the highest ranking guys "What you did is illegal and violates the constitution. Turn yourself in and apologize to the American public".

    I'd like to see evidence of a whistleblower protection system for highly classified information. You're just assuming there is one.
    Even if the programs he took issue with were deemed to be unconstitutional, that does not allow Snowden to release classified information to media outlets and the general public. Even when you anoint him judicial and moral authority, he's still in clear violation of the law.

    Legal protection is available for those who take legal measures. Document dumps, as all adults know, are not legal measures and do not receive legal protection, nor should they.

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    re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolás Maduro Says[W:271]

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Even if the programs he took issue with were deemed to be unconstitutional, that does not allow Snowden to release classified information to media outlets and the general public. Even when you anoint him judicial and moral authority, he's still in clear violation of the law.

    Legal protection is available for those who take legal measures. Document dumps, as all adults know, are not legal measures and do not receive legal protection, nor should they.
    Who cares if what he did was illegal? You keep talking about legality as if it's the ultimate good. It is not - nor has it ever been.

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    re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolás Maduro Says[W:271]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Who cares if what he did was illegal?

    You keep talking about legality as if it's the ultimate good. It is not - nor has it ever been.
    The quoted poster was attempting to legally justify Snowden's actions, hence the conversation.

    I'm not fully convinced that Snowden's intentions were of the wholly pure variety, or that his actions will yield more benefits than consequences.

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    re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolás Maduro Says[W:271]

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    The quoted poster was attempting to legally justify Snowden's actions, hence the conversation.

    I'm not fully convinced that Snowden's intentions were of the wholly pure variety, or that his actions will yield more benefits than consequences.
    His actions won't yield any benefits, unfortunately, beyond confirming we have a corrupt government and we already know that.

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    re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolás Maduro Says[W:271]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    I hope he accepts and i hope he finds a way to get to Venezuela! [/FONT][/COLOR]
    Maybe he'll become Communist! Or better yet, maybe he'll join Islam and come back to the U.S. with a special delivery strapped on his back! Wouldn't that be cool!

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    re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolás Maduro Says[W:271]

    I think he did the right thing. I don't care if the government is pissed. **** the government. I served this country and it's government only to be illegally spied on? This country has lost my support and faith in it's ability to do what is right. My service is meaningless if what I served for was to be lied to and spied on.

    I love the ideals this country was founded on. To bad our country no longer supports or even tries to follow those ideals.

    He is a damn hero in my book.
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    re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolás Maduro Says[W:271]

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Four questions for you:

    Do sincerely believe that Snowdon can get an open and honest fair trial in America?
    as much as any celebrity accused.

    Who do you think is more dangerous to Americans? James Clapper or Edward Snowdon?
    Snowden.

    Who do you believe is more likely to be truthful to the American People? James Clapper or Edward Snowden?
    Clapper

    Who has committed a felony? James Clapper or Edward Snowden?
    Snowden and Clapper to a mitigated extent.

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    re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolás Maduro Says[W:271]

    Am really kind of mixed on whether Snowden is a hero or chump.

    But of the two countries that offered him asylum, Nicaragua and Venezuela, I really have doubt if they are all that humanitarian in this gracious offer. This will provide them a cheap opportunity to learn more about the US intelligence. Basically Snowden has left one spy operation to go work for another spy operation.

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