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    Re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolįs Maduro Says[

    Quote Originally Posted by greyhat View Post
    There is nothing honorable about stealing; furthermore, there is nothing more cowardly than picking a fight and running.
    Really?

    So raping a child isn't more cowardly then what Snowden did?

    Interesting.

    What Snowden did is leak highly classified information, and illegal act, and overrode an entire system of government's check and balances as it relates to the program's of the NSA.
    Isn't it wonderful?

    SNOWDEN...SNOWDEN...SNOWDEN...

    Is he so mighty and superior that he alone is to decide what is and shouldn't be kept secret by the government??
    Yup...apparently.

    He did the brave and honorable thing here.

    He exposed cowardly and un-Constitutional acts.


    Have a nice day.

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    Re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolįs Maduro Says[

    Since I know some of you probably won't click the link here's some of the info:

    What happened to NSA whistleblower Thomas Drake when he went through the 'proper channels':

    I differed as a whistleblower to Snowden only in this respect: in accordance with the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act, I took my concerns up within the chain of command, to the very highest levels at the NSA, and then to Congress and the Department of Defense. I understand why Snowden has taken his course of action, because he’s been following this for years: he’s seen what’s happened to other whistleblowers like me.

    By following protocol, you get flagged – just for raising issues. You’re identified as someone they don’t like, someone not to be trusted. I was exposed early on because I was a material witness for two 9/11 congressional investigations. In closed testimony, I told them everything I knew – about Stellar Wind, billions of dollars in fraud, waste and abuse, and the critical intelligence, which the NSA had but did not disclose to other agencies, preventing vital action against known threats. If that intelligence had been shared, it may very well have prevented 9/11.

    But as I found out later, none of the material evidence I disclosed went into the official record. It became a state secret even to give information of this kind to the 9/11 investigation.

    Why Didn’t Snowden Go through “Proper Channels” to Blow the Whistle? | Washington's Blog
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    Re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolįs Maduro Says[

    In interview, three former NSA whistleblowers speak out in support for Snowden:
    3 NSA veterans speak out on whistle-blower: We told you so

    So after hearing their stories, I would like to hear how you guys think Snowden could have expected to go through any 'proper channels' and not see the information covered up.
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    Re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolįs Maduro Says[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Don't change your wording. You clearly stated that he DEFECTED TO Venezuela. That is false.
    He defected to Venezuela, not Mars.

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    Re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolįs Maduro Says[

    Quote Originally Posted by greyhat View Post
    Regherb vs Paulk @ SCOTUS

    I gave you this already but it won't sink...by choice I assume
    It's basically not worth arguing with these people. It's this kind of punk college kid rebel-without-a-clue mentality that makes them entirely impervious to reason or logic. They will argue the letter of the law when it suits them, then turn around and forget the law entirely when it doesn't.

    And patriotism? Forget about it, they think that's for squares. They just don't like authority for its own sake, there is no principle underpinning their argument, just a mindless hatred of legitimate rules and legitimate authority. I would speculate that a lot of it stems from marijuana-induced paranoia.

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    Re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolįs Maduro Says[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    He defected to Venezuela, not Mars.
    No, he did not. Stop lying.
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    Re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolįs Maduro Says[

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Arizona Supreme Court is not federal. I meant FEDERAL court rulings.
    Nonexistent

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    And the article is just opinion...does not interest me in the least.
    If you think it's opinion, you either didn't read it or read the first bits and assumed it was entirely opinion. The source provides background on federal court rulings that will clearly decide whether tracking metadata is constitutional or not. Given the history of the pen register vs. wiretap distinction, it seems that metadata is constitutional.

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Forcing phone companies to release data on private phone calls without a warrant is against the 4th Amendment.
    Opinion, therefore irrelevant

    Then you'll just have to wait and see if you're right or wrong. Until then, I suppose you'll have to content yourself with researching background information.

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    And I am confident this will be proven in court whenever it eventually gets to the Supreme Court.


    Have a nice day.
    Again, we shall see. The history of this issue is decidedly against your position on it.
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    Re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolįs Maduro Says[

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Really?

    So raping a child isn't more cowardly then what Snowden did?

    Interesting.
    First, it's absolutely ridiculous you'd even say that at all. I can't even fathom why you chose to go there. This really doesn't fly DA60.

    Second, raping a child is not cowardly as much as it is heinous. You like definitions, here's one for you:

    cow·ard
    /ˈkouərd/
    Noun
    A person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things.
    Adjective
    Excessively afraid of danger or pain.
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    Re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolįs Maduro Says[

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    It's basically not worth arguing with these people. It's this kind of punk college kid rebel-without-a-clue mentality that makes them entirely impervious to reason or logic. They will argue the letter of the law when it suits them, then turn around and forget the law entirely when it doesn't.
    I find it quite sad that, as someone who has debated with reason and logic in the past, you have resorted to trolling and lies in this thread.
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    Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolįs Maduro Says[

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    He is a whistleblower...by definition.


    Have a nice day.
    You're missing the point.

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