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    Re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolás Maduro Says[

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    Who says the NSA is wrong,...
    The constitution.

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    The constitution.
    Prove it!

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    Re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolás Maduro Says[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    The government's reaction would be very very different if only the American people knew about PRISM and not every person in the world. Or other governments we've spied on. Or terrorists who (hopefully not) might be smart enough to change the way they operate to avoid due scrutiny by PRISM.



    If the actual text message was being checked, then the situation is obviously unconstitutional and wrong. But that's not the case at all. The data being monitored is metadata. Information about what numbers you call, and how often. If the NSA see's something potentially suspicious, they ask the DOJ for permission. Personally, I'm more concerned about how the DOJ determines whether or not to give the NSA a warrant than I am about PRISM. From what I've heard, of the 500 something requests for warrants, over 95% have been granted. I don't know the specifics of each case, or the process, but I think that's the link that needs to be strongest, in order to protect the rights of Americans.



    This knowledge is classified because of the diplomatic fallout that results from, for example, France realizing we spy on them. It's classified because of the increased difficulty in tracking and capturing terrorists when they realize we're spying on them in this manner. At the end of the day, Snowden's actions only hurt America's diplomatic ties and ability to preempt terrorist actions.
    The difference between you and me is that you believe what the government tells you and I know better than to do that.

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    The difference between you and me is that you believe what the government tells you and I know better than to do that.
    No, the difference is more fundamental than that. I believe that government can do good, and you don't (I hope I'm not putting words in your mouth that you wouldn't agree with).
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    Prove it!
    Am still waiting for proof..., com'on, where is the proof????

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    Re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolás Maduro Says[

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    Am still waiting for proof..., com'on, where is the proof????
    Look at the constitutional enumerated powers granted to the Fed and tell me where the NSA is provided for.

    Oh and you might want to take a quick gander at the 4th amendment. Possibly even the 5th and the 14th.

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    Look at the constitutional enumerated powers granted to the Fed and tell me where the NSA is provided for.

    Oh and you might want to take a quick gander at the 4th amendment. Possibly even the 5th and the 14th.
    LOL- so you mean to tell me that The House of Representatives & The Senate passed laws that SCOTUS has used to establish legal precedent and POTUS & The Executive branch have used to implement the NSA's programs while under the watch of The Senate and other appropriate review only for us to find out that according to one-all-might and omnipotent criminal thief coward that its all a facade and this is just one big conspiracy to undermine our privacy?? Really?! Com'on...

    You do not have a right to privacy over the electronic spectrum- period. You do not have a right to email, texts, cell calls etc- and for the 50th time no one is "listening" to your calls or reading your text messages or emails..collecting metadata isn't protected under the Constitution..period.

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    Re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolás Maduro Says[

    Quote Originally Posted by greyhat View Post
    ..collecting metadata isn't protected under the Constitution..period.
    The heart of the matter. Well said.

    A physical equivalent would be for someone to see you at the park, and note that you talked to person x for 10 minutes, person y for 10 minutes, and then to person x for another 5 minutes. It's well within the plain view doctrine, and completely legal.
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    Re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolás Maduro Says[

    Quote Originally Posted by greyhat View Post
    collecting metadata isn't protected under the Constitution..period.
    Prove it using links to unbiased, factual proof.



    http://www.policymic.com/articles/47...nowden-s-leaks
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    Re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolás Maduro Says[

    Quote Originally Posted by greyhat View Post
    LOL- so you mean to tell me that The House of Representatives & The Senate passed laws that SCOTUS has used to establish legal precedent and POTUS & The Executive branch have used to implement the NSA's programs while under the watch of The Senate and other appropriate review only for us to find out that according to one-all-might and omnipotent criminal thief coward that its all a facade and this is just one big conspiracy to undermine our privacy?? Really?! Com'on...

    You do not have a right to privacy over the electronic spectrum- period. You do not have a right to email, texts, cell calls etc- and for the 50th time no one is "listening" to your calls or reading your text messages or emails..collecting metadata isn't protected under the Constitution..period.

    Wrong! I'm surprised they didn't ask the NSA for George Zimmerman's and Treyvon Martin's phone calls.

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