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    re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolás Maduro Says[W:271]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Yes, and what exactly required him to not reveal everything he knew all at one time?
    I will take that as a)

    Snowden could have just told everything he knew all at once. But he didn't, he wanted to drag it out for maximum affect, and likely, for his own personal glory.
    Prove it.

    You now claim to know what he feels - then where is your link that proves that you know what he 'wants'?
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    re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolás Maduro Says[W:271]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    What I find stunning about the Snowden case is how much of a canary in the coal mines it has served with regards to our respect for privacy. We think nothing of entities like Mark Zuckerberg and Google selling our personal information to corporations, and condemn Snowden for alerting us to flagrant violations of our rights by our government. Where the hell are our priorities?

    And calling us Snowden a "coward" is laughable. I wonder how many here who label him thus would so willingly sacrifice their home, family and freedom to stand up for their principles.
    He won't have to sacrifice home and family. Whatever regime grants him asylum (which will be done in total secrecy) will have no problem letting his GF live with him, and will give him a free house or room.

    As for freedom, he certainly won't get that, but then, considering he had no problem working for the NSA in the first place, I doubt he cares much about it.

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    re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolás Maduro Says[W:271]

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    Iceland seems to have fallen through. They were going to have a vote on making him a citizen before they went off for the Summer recess but have surprising voted not to do this.

    Snowden has applied secretly to six other countries as he says he wants to stop the US from intimidating them.

    And how can he travel if even Presidential planes are illegally searched and European countries will not give airspace to a plane that could be hiding him. Spain has said she was told Snowden was definitely on that plane.

    When refueling of the plane of a head of State is refused which could have resulted in an air crash and loss of life, how the hell in this world, bought and sold by the US, is he going to get safe passage anywhere?

    Maybe the UN will need to say that by the Geneva Convention he needs political asylum and escort him if need be?
    Your paranoia and hatred of the United States has now reached ludicrous levels.
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    re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolás Maduro Says[W:271]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Not me. I hope he's brought back to the United States and put on trial. Running away and hiding is cowardly. If he feels this strongly about the wrongs the government was doing, then he should be willing to stand up and fight them.
    Correct. I don't agree with what he did but if he was going to claim to do it out of principle, then he'd have to have faced the legal consequences. By his defection he has proven that he is not a man of principle.

    But really this whole thing is just a side show. He's a criminal spy and should be dealt with accordingly, not really much more to this story than that.

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    re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolás Maduro Says[W:271]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    You do realize Bradley Manning was a member of the Army, was arrested in a foreign country and is being court martialed, right?

    I'm sorry, would Edward Snowden be court martialed? If not, your entire post here is irrelevant.

    But he's not fighting. He's running.

    Because everything about your statement is false. He wouldn't be locked in a cage and he's not resisting, he's running.

    But hey, I'll do the honest thing for you. How would be arrested and standing trial help his cause more than running? Well, he could stand up for what he believes in, it would likely inspire protests from other Americans to stand up for removal of this spying, it would keep the story in the news much longer, it would force politicians to have to take a stand on security vs. privacy (a stand which then would be in play during elections) and at the end of the day, if he could convince a jury of his peers, it would show that Americans do not support the massive spying into their lives.

    Happy now?
    1) Are you trying to say that only court martials can be blocked from the public media?

    2) Manning was locked in a cage (solitary confinement), why wouldn't Snowden? Snitches get stitches, right?

    3) You're really crazy enough to believe the US government would allow a trial that concerns a top secret information to be released to the media. Why would they refuse to let the media talk to Manning, but let you give them your memoirs?

    You have to voluntarily submit yourself to the will of the government, otherwise you're a coward. What a ****ty philosophy you have.
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    re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolás Maduro Says[W:271]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Your paranoia and hatred of the United States has now reached ludicrous levels.
    Nothing to say but inaccurate personal abuse. Why am I not surprised.
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    re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolás Maduro Says[W:271]

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    You have to voluntarily submit yourself to the will of the government, otherwise you're a coward. What a ****ty philosophy you have.
    No, Snowden claims to have done what he did to uphold the constitution. If he were a man of principle he would have stayed in the United States and faced the consequences. Instead he defected, so obviously he has no respect for the law of the United States. He is a hypocrite.

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    re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolás Maduro Says[W:271]

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I will take that as a)
    You should take it as C)

    You offer a false dichotomy.

    Prove it. You now claim to know what he feels - then where is your link that proves that you know what he 'wants'?
    I don't have to prove it, it's what I believe his motivation to be. And the reason I believe it to be his motivation is based upon his actions. He could have said everything at once, but he didn't. He strung it out over multiple occasions. He could have easily said everything he wanted to say, and then face the legal charges against him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Correct. I don't agree with what he did but if he was going to claim to do it out of principle, then he'd have to have faced the legal consequences. By his defection he has proven that he is not a man of principle.
    Exactly. I don't know that I'd say I don't agree with what he did, quite honestly I'm conflicted on it, but you are 100% right about his fleeing.
    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    1) Are you trying to say that only court martials can be blocked from the public media?
    I'm saying Manning and Snowden are different circumstances, which would play out differently due to those circumstances.

    3) You're really crazy enough to believe the US government would allow a trial that concerns a top secret information to be released to the media.
    Snowden already released the information he had to the media, information which was classified. What exactly is left, which would be relevant to the charges?

    You have to voluntarily submit yourself to the will of the government, otherwise you're a coward. What a ****ty philosophy you have.
    And what terrible reading comprehension you seem to possess. Clearly you are a traitor to this country, obviously planning a rebellion against the government.

    Or, maybe, we can stop irrational extremism in discourse and just discuss this logically. Your hyperbole does nothing but discredit you.

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    re: Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolás Maduro Says[W:271]

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    No, Snowden claims to have done what he did to uphold the constitution. If he were a man of principle he would have stayed in the United States and faced the consequences. Instead he defected, so obviously he has no respect for the law of the United States. He is a hypocrite.
    Nah.

    Its WAY easier to defend your actions before the world out in it than locked away from it forever.

    Pisses off your opponent no end too.

    Win win.
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