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NOM’s July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

Aberration - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Abberation:

1
: the fact or an instance of deviating or being aberrant especially from a moral standard or normal state
2
: failure of a mirror, refracting surface, or lens to produce exact point-to-point correspondence between an object and its image
3
: unsoundness or disorder of the mind
4
: a small periodic change of apparent position in celestial bodies due to the combined effect of the motion of light and the motion of the observer

1 and 3 would be applicable to my usage of the term, while moral standard is mentioned it is not a requirement. Deviating from normal state is also in the definition and does not require religious affiliation.

You failed with this definition. Morality is relative, so point #1 is refuted. Homosexuality has been found to not be a disorder. This is factual based on research, so point #3 is refuted. By the way... your refusal to accept that homosexuality is not a disorder is irrelevant. Just because you want to deny reality doesn't alter reality.

Disease - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Disease:
1
obsolete : trouble
2
: a condition of the living animal or plant body or of one of its parts that impairs normal functioning and is typically manifested by distinguishing signs and symptoms : sickness, malady

Already proven false.
 
I fully support and believe in Natural Selection. Unfortunately, we have not had time to evolve a solution to socialism/leftism. Let alone, they would surely fail and fall by the evolutionary wayside. However, because they are integrated and interfering in other societies, they will destroy all instead of only themselves.

Actually, what you just identified is true of conservatism, not liberalism. Extreme conservatives always confuse this.

Now, do you want to cease the stupid partisan hack comments, or do you want to play this stupid game?
 
The subjection of morality is an opinion. There are a firmly coded set of morals that humanity is starting to neglect as a while as we brainwash ourselves to belive that things are not wrong.

And this is nothing but your opinion... proving that morality is relative.
 
I guarantee your are wrong, though it is not something that can be quantified or measured so you won't agree to it. But just know you are wrong.

If you can't quantify or measure it, you just proved that you are wrong. Congratulations.
 
Not true actually.

Actually it is, your lack of willingness to accept that fact is your own problem. You are free to your own opinions, just not your own facts.

I will say it's been amusing watching your ass get kicked in this thread. Please don't stop, it's quite entertaining :lamo
 
Actually it is, your lack of willingness to accept that fact is your own problem. You are free to your own opinions, just not your own facts.

I will say it's been amusing watching your ass get kicked in this thread. Please don't stop, it's quite entertaining :lamo

Nothing has gotten kicked. You guys just don't know the truth, I can't help that.
 
Nothing has gotten kicked. You guys just don't know the truth, I can't help that.

You keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. The whole "Nuh Uh" response from you is hilarious when presented the facts.
 
Seems every thread about gay marriage ends up the same.
Some people equate their personal views with absolute fact and get all high and mighty denouncing SSM. They never have any actual reasons but when pressed pretend that homosexuality is a disease. Even when proven wrong over and over again. Sigh
 
You keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. The whole "Nuh Uh" response from you is hilarious when presented the facts.

I believe you mean "facts" that you have made up and cannot prove. They are mere opinion.
 
One of two ways. When because of some loophole, laws are not able to be applied or it's a personal perception.

So if it's a personal perception, then they shouldn't mention it publicly or use it in an argument, right?


Not at all. Reality. Just because you don't see it doesn't alter that.

Reality is relative.

Wow that was easy! Now if you respond with anything else, I'll just say I know something you don't and you just can't see the truth.



Sure. Depends on who/what we are discussing.

What's the criteria for this distinction?



Sure. To that society at that time.

Then why did you state that morality is relative? Were you trying to spark a philosophical debate about the nature of ethics?


It's pointless to make any universal judgment. One can certainly make a personal judgment.

Everything is acceptable, like our present marriage laws.
 
And this is nothing but your opinion... proving that morality is relative.

Some morals are relative, some are absolute. Mankind extends morals based on a relative nature with the majority/those in power dictating what is right and wrong. However, there exists a moral code set by God that is absolute under which all humans will be judged. Homosexuality is sin, humans can ignore that and set their own societal values on it but at the end of the day in the eyes of God it is still sin and this is absolute. It's much like a personal opinion vs a legal system. To scale it down a bit we can make a comparison to the legal system. A household may have the opinion that it's ok to steal. Their moral code may be that if you have the strength and power to take something then that thing belongs to you, a survival of the fittest attitude. They can hold their belief and steal, but the legal system does not care. The absolute letter of the law says that it is illegal to steal and when caught and judged those who stole won't have a leg to stand on, their personal morals or relative morals for their household are wrong and that does that excuse their theft. In much the same way humanity can create relative morals for itself, but the absolute moral code still dictates what is right and wrong. The fact that a judge exists (God) with higher authority and ultimate judgement goes beyond the jurisdiction of man and when contrasting the two, the absolute morals are what is right and the relative morals of man are what is wrong.

Society can accept homosexuality, society can scream and pander that it's morally acceptable and equal to heterosexuality. But at the end of the day, in light of the absolute moral code that governs all existence, homosexuality is wrong and that will not change. Under the absolute moral code individuals will be judged, it doesn't matter what individuals foolishly do with their societies or personal opinions on morals. Truth is knowable, absolute morality exists. Society can do what it wants but those relative morals can indeed be wrong and will indeed be judged by that which is absolute.
 
Some morals are relative, some are absolute. Mankind extends morals based on a relative nature with the majority/those in power dictating what is right and wrong. However, there exists a moral code set by God that is absolute under which all humans will be judged. Homosexuality is sin, humans can ignore that and set their own societal values on it but at the end of the day in the eyes of God it is still sin and this is absolute. It's much like a personal opinion vs a legal system. To scale it down a bit we can make a comparison to the legal system. A household may have the opinion that it's ok to steal. Their moral code may be that if you have the strength and power to take something then that thing belongs to you, a survival of the fittest attitude. They can hold their belief and steal, but the legal system does not care. The absolute letter of the law says that it is illegal to steal and when caught and judged those who stole won't have a leg to stand on, their personal morals or relative morals for their household are wrong and that does that excuse their theft. In much the same way humanity can create relative morals for itself, but the absolute moral code still dictates what is right and wrong. The fact that a judge exists (God) with higher authority and ultimate judgement goes beyond the jurisdiction of man and when contrasting the two, the absolute morals are what is right and the relative morals of man are what is wrong.

Society can accept homosexuality, society can scream and pander that it's morally acceptable and equal to heterosexuality. But at the end of the day, in light of the absolute moral code that governs all existence, homosexuality is wrong and that will not change. Under the absolute moral code individuals will be judged, it doesn't matter what individuals foolishly do with their societies or personal opinions on morals. Truth is knowable, absolute morality exists. Society can do what it wants but those relative morals can indeed be wrong and will indeed be judged by that which is absolute.

My god has no problems with homosexuality and since unlike your god my god is real your post is meaningless
 
My god has no problems with homosexuality and since unlike your god my god is real your post is meaningless

Then you must be wrong. There is only 1 God with 1 truth (the Bible). You are free to be wrong, but God is not relative. There is but 1 God, 1 truth, and all else is wrong. No wiggle room.
 
Then you must be wrong. There is only 1 God with 1 truth (the Bible). You are free to be wrong, but God is not relative. There is but 1 God, 1 truth, and all else is wrong. No wiggle room.

Nope sorry you are the one who is wrong no wiggle room on this, my version of god is the correct one you are following a false god. One day maybe you will realize this but I fear you wont
 
Nope sorry you are the one who is wrong no wiggle room on this, my version of god is the correct one you are following a false god. One day maybe you will realize this but I fear you wont

I see what you're doing, but sadly you are so far mistaken.

It's not "my opinion vs. your opinion" it's "there is 1 absolute truth, all else is wrong." The Bible is the Word of God with Yahweh being the One True God. Proof is evident in fulfilled Biblical prophecy and the works of the Holy Spirit.

Many choose to reject the Bible, they refuse from the wickedness and stubbornness in their hearts that prophecy is fulfilled. Many are uncomfortable with living by God's moral code so they choose to reject it, "rationalize" it away, or flat out just refuse to be rational on the issue. The fact remains that there is 1 truth, and that truth if the Bible. All else is wrong, there is no changing that. People can refuse to believe the Bible, they can choose to ignore the factual basis behind it being the word of God, they can adopt some other belief. But at the end of the day people, all beliefs, and all actions will be judged by the One true God under the truth. No exception, that's just the fact of this world
 
I see what you're doing, but sadly you are so far mistaken.

It's not "my opinion vs. your opinion" it's "there is 1 absolute truth, all else is wrong." The Bible is the Word of God with Yahweh being the One True God. Proof is evident in fulfilled Biblical prophecy and the works of the Holy Spirit.

Many choose to reject the Bible, they refuse from the wickedness and stubbornness in their hearts that prophecy is fulfilled. Many are uncomfortable with living by God's moral code so they choose to reject it, "rationalize" it away, or flat out just refuse to be rational on the issue. The fact remains that there is 1 truth, and that truth if the Bible. All else is wrong, there is no changing that. People can refuse to believe the Bible, they can choose to ignore the factual basis behind it being the word of God, they can adopt some other belief. But at the end of the day people, all beliefs, and all actions will be judged by the One true God under the truth. No exception, that's just the fact of this world

No the bible is not the word of god sorry but that is false. You are mistaken and will be judged in the end on your mistake.
 
Are you defining homosexuality as the act or as a sexual preference?

Yes, some species, such as canines, perform it as an act of dominance.

Name species that have homosexuality as a normal preference under normal conditions.
West Indian manatees, a few whales, some dolphins. Can you provide proof about your claim that canines have sex with each other just to show dominance?
 
Then you must be wrong. There is only 1 God with 1 truth (the Bible). You are free to be wrong, but God is not relative. There is but 1 God, 1 truth, and all else is wrong. No wiggle room.


Yeah - "one truth" and that is why there are thirty thousand plus groups that call themselves Christian
 
I'm an American. That's why I wave the LGBT flag. Its a symbol of equality and liberty, values this country is founded upon. There is no rule saying you can't wave more than one flag.
 
West Indian manatees, a few whales, some dolphins. Can you provide proof about your claim that canines have sex with each other just to show dominance?

I didn't say "just", just to be clear about that. Exactly how did anyone determine these species to practice it as a sexual preference? How did anyone actually monitor aquatic species for a significant portion of their lives to determine that they expressed a sexual preference? I accept that some homosexual acts occur in these species, but it is pretty much impossible to prove "preference" in their natural habitat.

Further, what percentage of them actually even engage in homosexual acts? Is it enough to actually prove "normal" vs aberration? Do you somehow believe that aberrations of normal behaviors only occur in humans? Genetic flaws/mutations and environmental factors don't impact any other species?

What is the percentage of homosexuals in the human population? Homosexuals, not bisexuals or people who have engaged in a homosexual act(s). I don't know the numbers myself, but do believe that Depression is a lot more common than homosexuality, yet it is an aberration/disease and not considered normal.
 
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