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NOM’s July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

Actually eugenics works very well in nature. The biggest problem with it as practiced so far is the criteria that was used. While Hitler was wrong about the Jews, Gypsies, etc, he was very much correct about communist/socialist. If we used natural factors, not political ones, then it would probably show much better results.
No, the biggest problem with it is that it is a completely ****ed up concept right out of the blocks. The core of it centers around the belief that a handful of people know better than thousands of years of natural selection. If you are a believer, this translates to a handful of people know better than God.

It may be the most narcissistic pursuit ever undertaken.
 
No, the biggest problem with it is that it is a completely ****ed up concept right out of the blocks. The core of it centers around the belief that a handful of people know better than thousands of years of natural selection. If you are a believer, this translates to a handful of people know better than God.

It may be the most narcissistic pursuit ever undertaken.

I fully support and believe in Natural Selection. Unfortunately, we have not had time to evolve a solution to socialism/leftism. Let alone, they would surely fail and fall by the evolutionary wayside. However, because they are integrated and interfering in other societies, they will destroy all instead of only themselves.
 
I fully support and believe in Natural Selection. Unfortunately, we have not had time to evolve a solution to socialism/leftism. Let alone, they would surely fail and fall by the evolutionary wayside. However, because they are integrated and interfering in other societies, they will destroy all instead of only themselves.
Maybe we should just round up everyone that votes for Democrats and have them lobotomized.
 
Morals are not "lost", only changed. Morality is subjective. Every person on this planet has morals. It is just that most do not have the same morals as you.

The subjection of morality is an opinion. There are a firmly coded set of morals that humanity is starting to neglect as a while as we brainwash ourselves to belive that things are not wrong.
 
The subjection of morality is an opinion. There are a firmly coded set of morals that humanity is starting to neglect as a while as we brainwash ourselves to belive that things are not wrong.

Wrong. Morals are subjective. You cannot prove an objective set of morals. You can only prove that people share certain morals in large numbers, particularly some very general morals.
 
Wrong. Morals are subjective. You cannot prove an objective set of morals. You can only prove that people share certain morals in large numbers, particularly some very general morals.

I guarantee your are wrong, though it is not something that can be quantified or measured so you won't agree to it. But just know you are wrong.
 
I guarantee your are wrong, though it is not something that can be quantified or measured so you won't agree to it. But just know you are wrong.

In order for something to be objective, vice subjective, it must be able to be quantified or measured. Otherwise, it is just a belief, like morals.
 
Wrong. Saying something is immoral is RELATIVE, and acceptable to the individual or society at the time.

So how does injustice exist?

Saying morality is relative is on target and correct and prevents inaccuracies.

More lazy than anything else.

Relatively.

So sometimes its relative to the person and sometimes to society?

If it's relative to society it's perfectly acceptable to point out something that immoral to the society. If it's relative to the person it's pointless to make any judgement about anything.

Rocket88 said:
No, it would be legal. Legal and moral are two different things.

Welcome to the conversation. I suggest a review of the conversation up to this point before participating further.
 
Fines, Jail Time, I'm open to options.

Took a bit of prodding but we finally got an answer, actually it took less than I thought. Your brain is certainly an interesting one to pick through.

I asked you what you believe the punishment should be and while we didn't a more direct answer, looks like you would be okay with a government that fined and jailed millions of Americans for being homosexual.
 
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Ohhh silly hate groups.. [/FONT][/COLOR]They will be on the wrong side of history..
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In 40 years? They look stupid now. :2razz:
 
Took a bit of prodding but we finally got an answer, actually it took less than I thought. Your brain is certainly an interesting one to pick through.

I asked you what you believe the punishment should be and while we didn't a more direct answer, looks like you would be okay with a government that fined and jailed millions of Americans for being homosexual.

No more than any other crime. Unfortunately Homosexuality is not a crime and the morality of our nations is going down the tubes.
 
No more than any other crime. Unfortunately Homosexuality is not a crime and the morality of our nations is going down the tubes.

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We've heard this lame excuse throughout our history many many many many many many many times.
 
Perhaps it is not lame or an excuse.

\Or its just another stupid excuse especially since heard it throughout history with freeing of the slaves, giving women the right to vote, desegregation. And somehow we still are here. Honestly what is going to happen? Seriously?
 
No more than any other crime. Unfortunately Homosexuality is not a crime and the morality of our nations is going down the tubes.

Why is it unfortunate that homosexuality isn't a crime? There's no legal or moral justification to make it illegal for people to be homosexual.
 
Why is it unfortunate that homosexuality isn't a crime? There's no legal or moral justification to make it illegal for people to be homosexual.

What do you consider moral justification? Homosexuality is pretty immoral.
 
I've seen some here say that liberalism is a disease....why not conservatism?

Conservatism, when practiced properly, leads to a functional and productive society.

Liberalism leads to a dysfunctional, self-destructive, non-productive society.

If it is proper to argue that a political ideology can be a disease, then certainly, liberalism better fits the definition of a disease than conservatism does.
 
What do you consider moral justification? Homosexuality is pretty immoral.

You're the one calling homosexuality immoral and in need of criminalization, where's the justification? I'm asking you, I don't see a good reason for considering homosexuality immoral (or moral, it simply exists.), much less any sort of justification for locking anyone up for being gay. There's no tangible benefit for the individual or society to start handing out tickets and sentences for two guys or girls for hand-holding or whatever.
 
Conservatism, when practiced properly, leads to a functional and productive society.

Liberalism leads to a dysfunctional, self-destructive, non-productive society.

If it is proper to argue that a political ideology can be a disease, then certainly, liberalism better fits the definition of a disease than conservatism does.



Bob has got it! Well except for the fact that if you put four conservatives in one room and ask for THE definition of Conservatism, you will get at least six definitions and perhaps one body.
 
So how does injustice exist?

One of two ways. When because of some loophole, laws are not able to be applied or it's a personal perception.

More lazy than anything else.

Not at all. Reality. Just because you don't see it doesn't alter that.


So sometimes its relative to the person and sometimes to society?

Sure. Depends on who/what we are discussing.

If it's relative to society it's perfectly acceptable to point out something that immoral to the society.

Sure. To that society at that time.

If it's relative to the person it's pointless to make any judgement about anything.

It's pointless to make any universal judgment. One can certainly make a personal judgment.
 
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