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NOM’s July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

davidtaylorjr said:
I think homosexual acts and practices should be illegal, yes.
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Fortunately, as our society has become more enlightened and mature, no one takes these kinds of thoughts seriously.
 
DVSentinel said:
Homosexuality is a disease that is an aberration of normal human sexual desires. As a disease, it should not be normalized.
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This demonstrates that you are uneducated in this topic. Homosexuality is not a disease or disorder, but a normal and natural variation of sexual orientation, just like heterosexuality.

It should be researched, the cause found and a cure created.
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It has been researched and found to be normal. Your opinion on this matter is irrelevant and meaningless when facts are taken into account.

Homosexuality is an abnormality, not a behavior that should be just tolerated for political reasons. It has nothing to do with religion or morals other than possibly as another indication of the decay of our society due to the disease of leftist political views.
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Comments like these are nothing but extreme right wing ignorance on topics such as this. Nothing credible at all.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Society has chosen to make them illegal. Often laws are created based upon society's relative morality of the time.
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So.. is it relative to society or universally relative?

Would you accept murder if a majority supported it?
 
Republic Now! said:
So.. is it relative to society or universally relative?
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Relative to society.

Would you accept murder if a majority supported it?
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I would not personally agree with it and would probably protest it, but I would abide by the laws surrounding it until/if it was changed.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Relative to society.
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Well, then saying something is immoral is acceptable and just blindly saying "morality is relative" is pointless.


I would not personally agree with it and would probably protest it, but I would abide by the laws surrounding it until/if it was changed.
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And it would be moral.
 
Republic Now! said:
Well, then saying something is immoral is acceptable and just blindly saying "morality is relative" is pointless.
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Wrong. Saying something is immoral is RELATIVE, and acceptable to the individual or society at the time. Saying morality is relative is on target and correct and prevents inaccuracies.

And it would be moral.
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Relatively.
 
DVSentinel said:
Homosexuality is a disease that is an aberration of normal human sexual desires. As a disease, it should not be normalized. It should be researched, the cause found and a cure created. Homosexuality is an abnormality, not a behavior that should be just tolerated for political reasons. It has nothing to do with religion or morals other than possibly as another indication of the decay of our society due to the disease of leftist political views.
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LOL, ok, remind me not to take you serisouly. Homosexuality is no more a disease than heterosexuality is.

Thinking Homosexuality is a disease puts your comments in the bat **** crazy catagory. Thank you for letting me know your ideas are crazy and not to be taken seriously.
 
douglas said:
In what way is Homosexuality a disease? The term "aberration" implies that a disease is related to immorality, which then stems from religious ideology. I really can't see how you can say this and then say it has nothing to do with religion. The only people who have any problem with Homosexuality are the religious right; there is no secular basis for your statement, it requires a religious definition of "disease".
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Aberration - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Abberation:

1
: the fact or an instance of deviating or being aberrant especially from a moral standard or normal state
2
: failure of a mirror, refracting surface, or lens to produce exact point-to-point correspondence between an object and its image
3
: unsoundness or disorder of the mind
4
: a small periodic change of apparent position in celestial bodies due to the combined effect of the motion of light and the motion of the observer

1 and 3 would be applicable to my usage of the term, while moral standard is mentioned it is not a requirement. Deviating from normal state is also in the definition and does not require religious affiliation.

Disease - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Disease:
1
obsolete : trouble
2
: a condition of the living animal or plant body or of one of its parts that impairs normal functioning and is typically manifested by distinguishing signs and symptoms : sickness, malady
 
Darrell said:
Do you know homosexuality is found out all throughout the Animal Kingdom?
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Are you defining homosexuality as the act or as a sexual preference?

Yes, some species, such as canines, perform it as an act of dominance.

Name species that have homosexuality as a normal preference under normal conditions.
 
TheNextEra said:
LOL, ok, remind me not to take you serisouly. Homosexuality is no more a disease than heterosexuality is.

Thinking Homosexuality is a disease puts your comments in the bat **** crazy catagory. Thank you for letting me know your ideas are crazy and not to be taken seriously.
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Why are there 2 sexes instead of the species using asexual reproduction?

Why do we have sexual impulses? What is the evolved purpose of sex?

If normal, why does anal penetration always cause injury? Why can it cause a variety of problems? Why is the anus not provide, through evolution, with a lubricating function?
 
DVSentinel said:
Why are there 2 sexes instead of the species using asexual reproduction?

Why do we have sexual impulses? What is the evolved purpose of sex?

If normal, why does anal penetration always cause injury? Why can it cause a variety of problems? Why is the anus not provide, through evolution, with a lubricating function?
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Why are some people left-handed? Why are some conservative and some liberal? Why are there people that can write with both hands? None of those things are diseases.

Would you support treating left-handed people lesser than right-handed people? Your comments are just disgusting and I for one will be glad when SSM is legalized and homophobes such as yourself are put into the dark and ridiculed.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
This demonstrates that you are uneducated in this topic. Homosexuality is not a disease or disorder, but a normal and natural variation of sexual orientation, just like heterosexuality.



It has been researched and found to be normal. Your opinion on this matter is irrelevant and meaningless when facts are taken into account.



Comments like these are nothing but extreme right wing ignorance on topics such as this. Nothing credible at all.
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Proven by whom? What methodology was used to "prove" it?
 
TheNextEra said:
Why are some people left-handed? Why are some conservative and some liberal? Why are there people that can write with both hands? None of those things are diseases.

Would you support treating left-handed people lesser than right-handed people? Your comments are just disgusting and I for one will be glad when SSM is legalized and homophobes such as yourself are put into the dark and ridiculed.
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How am I a homophobe? I have no fear of or of being homosexual. Fear has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Being left or right handed or ambidextrous is a function of which side of the brain is dominant.

Why are some people conservative and some leftist? Different environmental factors during development. Take a look at election maps. You don't find leftist very often outside of urban settings. Rural people are self dependent and believe in doing for themselves. Urban peoples look to others instead of depending on themselves. I say they are not leftist buy don't actually call them conservatives as that term needs greater definition. Many were once Democrats who's part abandoned their believes and they don't actually support most of the corporate/industrialist leaning prevalent in the old Republican party.
 
Surtr said:
I would. It would probably keep my hands from being tied to the hitch of a truck by Billy Backwoods, leaving the DPS the task of cleaning a three mile long blood smear off of the road.


You mean the faiths that facilitated the persecution and murder of "witches", heathens, heretics, homosexuals, Jews, blacks, gypsies, Pollocks, members of the wrong sect or religion, etc? They can cry me a river.


Except blacks didn't go to jail back then, there was no release or pardon. Their term was permanent. If you run away, you get sent back where you're either tortured or murdered. After emancipation, they were killed on the spot, or black-bagged and hung from a tree in the middle of a rally. Gays did not endure the same hardships as the blacks. There is no valid comparison to be made.
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No one should have to, and that is the whole point.

No, the faiths that were getting burned as witches, or slaughtered for not believing as the "majority" or those in power do. Any faith at all that is persecuted, prosecuted, tortured, or murdered for their faith or simply treated as less for their faith/beliefs.

There was no release of those who were convicted of homosexuality either, particularly those who were involuntarily committed, at least not without missing half their brain and not being able to function normally ever again. So yes, it was different, but still both groups were treated badly from the dawn of this nation.
 
It's almost like the stigma gay people used to have has been transferred to westboro christians.
 
DVSentinel said:
Homosexuality is a disease that is an aberration of normal human sexual desires. As a disease, it should not be normalized. It should be researched, the cause found and a cure created. Homosexuality is an abnormality, not a behavior that should be just tolerated for political reasons. It has nothing to do with religion or morals other than possibly as another indication of the decay of our society due to the disease of leftist political views.
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This may be the most dangerously uninformed, bigoted, and blindly partisan post I have ever read.

Homosexuality is not a "disease". People who think this way are the same people who gave rise to eugenics. That one really worked out well, didn't it.:roll:
 
Surtr said:
One is absolutely worst than the other. Have you ever been locked up? You don't have to do **** except sit on your ass and not cause trouble. Free food, free clothing, they do your laundry for you, and as long as you don't piss off the wrong people, it's a ****ing vacation.

Actually, they discriminate because of religious and traditional beliefs that view homosexuality as being morally wrong. Thinly veiled ad homs aren't an argument.

That's a crap argument and you know it. They were convicted for the sexual act of sodomy, which was a stupid law. Just like putting a 17 year old kid in jail for having sex with a 16 year old girl is stupid. That kid was just being who he is, no different than the gay, or the drunk guy who lost his pants.
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You're wrong. Some were convicted for just being homosexual. Many were involuntarily committed for being homosexual, not for sodomy. They were not just forced to sit around either. They forced to endure "cures", such as electroshock therapy, castration (both chemical and physical), lobotomies, and more.

They were not simply there for "sodomy" violations. Some, prior to the early 70s, were put on those lists for being gay. Sodomy laws were around until 2003, whereas laws against homosexuality itself were in place up til around the early 70s, when it was finally removed from the DSM.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
I'll say this again. Marriage rights are not on the same level as civil rights. You can call it oppression or you can call it discrimination and if packaged and presented in the right way both terms are applicable. But what you can't do is to claim that the two movements are anywhere near the same in terms of the hardship endured or the historical significance that each represent.

People are actually "going there" and it's a freaking joke.
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According to Loving and Turner and Safley, they are.

They are very similar movements, particularly when talking about marriage within both. Marriage restrictions must be supported by a state interest being furthered by those restrictions, not simply because some people don't approve of that particularly combination of couples.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
This may be the most dangerously uninformed, bigoted, and blindly partisan post I have ever read.

Homosexuality is not a "disease". People who think this way are the same people who gave rise to eugenics. That one really worked out well, didn't it.:roll:
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Actually eugenics works very well in nature. The biggest problem with it as practiced so far is the criteria that was used. While Hitler was wrong about the Jews, Gypsies, etc, he was very much correct about communist/socialist. If we used natural factors, not political ones, then it would probably show much better results.
 
TheNextEra said:
Why are some people left-handed? Why are some conservative and some liberal? Why are there people that can write with both hands? None of those things are diseases. .
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I've seen some here say that liberalism is a disease....why not conservatism? :mrgreen:

Both of my children are left handed (though my daughter is sometimes closer to ambidextrous). According to their Russian medical records, this was because of a "birth injury," not just that some people are lefties. This was in the 2000's!
 
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