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    Re: NOM’s July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    The problem with this perspective is that granting marriage rights to homosexuals is no where near as historically significant as granting equal rights to everyone regardless of race. It's not even in the same building. If there had been some legal mechanism that allowed for open discrimination against them and that had been reversed then, yes, I would agree that the historical significance is the same. But that's not the case here, is it. We're talking about the right to marry. Nothing more. Hardly compares to the plight of African Americans. It is actually quite demeaning to even make that comparison, IMO.

    Furthermore, in order to be granted that "right", the definition of a word needed to be changed. If it truly was the "right" that was the prize here, then that one could have been easily settled years ago by accepting civil unions. It offered the same "rights", just not the same "word".

    This is not and has never been about "rights". It's about moral equivalency. Changing the definition of a word is never going to accomplish this. Maybe from a legal point of view it will but society can still think for themselves. We're going to need at least a couple of generations of indoctrination before this mission is complete.
    Changing the definition of a word, has major implications. Look into the history of the meaning of the word homophobe for just one example.


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    Re: NOM’s July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Who said anything about sole access? Women aren't looking for a sole access to go topless either, hypothetically, they'd be looking for equal access, so your point is what exactly?

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    Then define "special right."
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: NOM’s July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Changing the definition of a word, has major implications. Look into the history of the meaning of the word homophobe for just one example.


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    What major impact on society did that have, exactly? Economic downturn? Locust swarms?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: NOM’s July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    What major impact on society did that have, exactly? Economic downturn? Locust swarms?
    It, along with a implicit media, allowed the homosexual agenda the ability to rhetorically bat their opponents over the head. Worked for a good amount of time, but less and less as we move on, and people become armed to defend themselves against it.

    A special right is one where no right previously existed, and where no real need for the existence of said right was societal necessary. An example of this would be disability accommodations. They NOW have laws in place that mandate public and private institutions, and open to all individuals places to make room, and accessibility the law. However, Midgets don't have the same accessibility provisions because they are not deemed disabled. Homosexuals never had a right to marry, nor has any language ever included this possibility prior to the late 80's up until now. The very idea of such a thing wasn't even conceivable to society. As a result of the past 40 years, and present, we now as a society are contemplating the unthinkable, and for some, the absurd~!


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    Re: NOM’s July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

    How many think like this old white guy?

    Pat Robertson: Facebook Needs A ‘Vomit’ Button For Pictures Of Gay People
    “You’ve got a couple of same-sex guys kissing, do you like that? Well that makes me want to throw up. To me I would punch ‘Vomit’ not ‘Like’ but they don’t give you that option on Facebook.”
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: NOM’s July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    No, it's a matter of fact that the gays in this country have not endured the same hardships as American blacks. It's an insulting comparison, and it needs to stop.


    It doesn't matter what I am. this isn't about me, it's about a stupid comparison that needs to end. Gays have their own history, they don't need to ride the coat tails of black oppression. Somehow people still think it's relevant to draw that idiotic comparison, which shows a disturbing lack of historical knowledge.


    Being oppressed doesn't put them in the same clubhouse as native Americans and American blacks.
    So, in the end, you are the final judge on these matters ? Therein lies the problem....................

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    Re: NOM’s July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    So, in the end, you are the final judge on these matters ? Therein lies the problem....................
    Bro, do you even read?
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    Re: NOM’s July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Bro, do you even read?
    Bro, maybe I misread, but I got the impression you were saying that the treatment of gays couldn't hold a candle to the treatment of "blacks".......................

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    Re: NOM’s July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    Bro, maybe I misread, but I got the impression you were saying that the treatment of gays couldn't hold a candle to the treatment of "blacks".......................
    It can't. Anyone who took the time to learn basic American history knows this.
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    Re: NOM’s July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    It can't. Anyone who took the time to learn basic American history knows this.
    Which brings us back around to you stating your opinion and insisting it is a fact. I'm not buying into it for 1 minute.......................

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