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    Re: NOMís July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I see what you're doing, but sadly you are so far mistaken.

    It's not "my opinion vs. your opinion" it's "there is 1 absolute truth, all else is wrong." The Bible is the Word of God with Yahweh being the One True God. Proof is evident in fulfilled Biblical prophecy and the works of the Holy Spirit.

    Many choose to reject the Bible, they refuse from the wickedness and stubbornness in their hearts that prophecy is fulfilled. Many are uncomfortable with living by God's moral code so they choose to reject it, "rationalize" it away, or flat out just refuse to be rational on the issue. The fact remains that there is 1 truth, and that truth if the Bible. All else is wrong, there is no changing that. People can refuse to believe the Bible, they can choose to ignore the factual basis behind it being the word of God, they can adopt some other belief. But at the end of the day people, all beliefs, and all actions will be judged by the One true God under the truth. No exception, that's just the fact of this world
    No the bible is not the word of god sorry but that is false. You are mistaken and will be judged in the end on your mistake.
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    Re: NOMís July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Are you defining homosexuality as the act or as a sexual preference?

    Yes, some species, such as canines, perform it as an act of dominance.

    Name species that have homosexuality as a normal preference under normal conditions.
    West Indian manatees, a few whales, some dolphins. Can you provide proof about your claim that canines have sex with each other just to show dominance?
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    Re: NOMís July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Then you must be wrong. There is only 1 God with 1 truth (the Bible). You are free to be wrong, but God is not relative. There is but 1 God, 1 truth, and all else is wrong. No wiggle room.

    Yeah - "one truth" and that is why there are thirty thousand plus groups that call themselves Christian
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    Re: NOMís July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

    I'm an American. That's why I wave the LGBT flag. Its a symbol of equality and liberty, values this country is founded upon. There is no rule saying you can't wave more than one flag.
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    Re: NOMís July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

    Quote Originally Posted by Darrell View Post
    West Indian manatees, a few whales, some dolphins. Can you provide proof about your claim that canines have sex with each other just to show dominance?
    I didn't say "just", just to be clear about that. Exactly how did anyone determine these species to practice it as a sexual preference? How did anyone actually monitor aquatic species for a significant portion of their lives to determine that they expressed a sexual preference? I accept that some homosexual acts occur in these species, but it is pretty much impossible to prove "preference" in their natural habitat.

    Further, what percentage of them actually even engage in homosexual acts? Is it enough to actually prove "normal" vs aberration? Do you somehow believe that aberrations of normal behaviors only occur in humans? Genetic flaws/mutations and environmental factors don't impact any other species?

    What is the percentage of homosexuals in the human population? Homosexuals, not bisexuals or people who have engaged in a homosexual act(s). I don't know the numbers myself, but do believe that Depression is a lot more common than homosexuality, yet it is an aberration/disease and not considered normal.
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    Re: NOMís July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Not true actually.
    Quite true, actually. Your denial of this doesn't alter it's accuracy.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: NOMís July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Then you must be wrong. There is only 1 God with 1 truth (the Bible). You are free to be wrong, but God is not relative. There is but 1 God, 1 truth, and all else is wrong. No wiggle room.
    Except my God has no problem with homosexuality... and it's the actual ancient Hebrew translation... how it was originally written... that I use. So, the one God, and one Bible says you are wrong. No wiggle room.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: NOMís July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Nothing has gotten kicked. You guys just don't know the truth, I can't help that.
    You haven't presented the truth. You don't seem to understand what "truth" is.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: NOMís July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    So if it's a personal perception, then they shouldn't mention it publicly or use it in an argument, right?
    When did I say that? Of course they can... depending on context.

    Reality is relative.

    Wow that was easy! Now if you respond with anything else, I'll just say I know something you don't and you just can't see the truth.
    Except that you have failed to prove your argument. Unlike me.

    What's the criteria for this distinction?
    Whether one is talking about themselves/an individual or society in general. I would think this would be obvious.

    Then why did you state that morality is relative? Were you trying to spark a philosophical debate about the nature of ethics?
    Because some folks seem to believe that morality is universal. Which it is not.

    Everything is acceptable, like our present marriage laws.
    To some individuals and to certain areas of society.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: NOMís July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Some morals are relative, some are absolute.
    No, not at all. You can keep saying it, but it's been proven wrong.

    Mankind extends morals based on a relative nature with the majority/those in power dictating what is right and wrong.
    True.

    However, there exists a moral code set by God that is absolute under which all humans will be judged.
    In your opinion.

    Homosexuality is sin, humans can ignore that and set their own societal values on it but at the end of the day in the eyes of God it is still sin and this is absolute.
    In your belief system.

    It's much like a personal opinion vs a legal system. To scale it down a bit we can make a comparison to the legal system. A household may have the opinion that it's ok to steal. Their moral code may be that if you have the strength and power to take something then that thing belongs to you, a survival of the fittest attitude. They can hold their belief and steal, but the legal system does not care. The absolute letter of the law says that it is illegal to steal and when caught and judged those who stole won't have a leg to stand on, their personal morals or relative morals for their household are wrong and that does that excuse their theft. In much the same way humanity can create relative morals for itself, but the absolute moral code still dictates what is right and wrong. The fact that a judge exists (God) with higher authority and ultimate judgement goes beyond the jurisdiction of man and when contrasting the two, the absolute morals are what is right and the relative morals of man are what is wrong.
    Comparing the legal system to a belief system is like comparing apples to airplanes. The legal system is not individual. No matter what someone believes, there is a structure to govern behaviors. This is not negotiable. A belief system is individual. There are no absolute consequences... other than what one BELIEVES consequences to be. Unless you can show, DEMONSTRABLY AND WITH PROOF evidence of any consequences, NOT LEGAL, to holding a certain set of beliefs, your argument fails.

    Society can accept homosexuality, society can scream and pander that it's morally acceptable and equal to heterosexuality. But at the end of the day, in light of the absolute moral code that governs all existence, homosexuality is wrong and that will not change. Under the absolute moral code individuals will be judged, it doesn't matter what individuals foolishly do with their societies or personal opinions on morals. Truth is knowable, absolute morality exists. Society can do what it wants but those relative morals can indeed be wrong and will indeed be judged by that which is absolute.
    Since we have established that there is no absolute moral code... unless you can offer DEMONSTRABLE PROOF OF THE CONSEQUENCES OF VIOLATING THIS CODE, nothing you say above has any credibility.

    So, let's see the proof of consequences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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