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Thread: NOMís July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

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    Re: NOMís July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Nothing has gotten kicked. You guys just don't know the truth, I can't help that.
    You keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. The whole "Nuh Uh" response from you is hilarious when presented the facts.

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    Re: NOMís July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

    Seems every thread about gay marriage ends up the same.
    Some people equate their personal views with absolute fact and get all high and mighty denouncing SSM. They never have any actual reasons but when pressed pretend that homosexuality is a disease. Even when proven wrong over and over again. Sigh
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    Re: NOMís July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    You keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. The whole "Nuh Uh" response from you is hilarious when presented the facts.
    I believe you mean "facts" that you have made up and cannot prove. They are mere opinion.
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    Re: NOMís July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    I believe you mean "facts" that you have made up and cannot prove. They are mere opinion.
    And just what is it that you think you are doing?
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    Re: NOMís July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    One of two ways. When because of some loophole, laws are not able to be applied or it's a personal perception.
    So if it's a personal perception, then they shouldn't mention it publicly or use it in an argument, right?


    Not at all. Reality. Just because you don't see it doesn't alter that.
    Reality is relative.

    Wow that was easy! Now if you respond with anything else, I'll just say I know something you don't and you just can't see the truth.



    Sure. Depends on who/what we are discussing.
    What's the criteria for this distinction?



    Sure. To that society at that time.
    Then why did you state that morality is relative? Were you trying to spark a philosophical debate about the nature of ethics?


    It's pointless to make any universal judgment. One can certainly make a personal judgment.
    Everything is acceptable, like our present marriage laws.
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    Re: NOMís July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    And this is nothing but your opinion... proving that morality is relative.
    Some morals are relative, some are absolute. Mankind extends morals based on a relative nature with the majority/those in power dictating what is right and wrong. However, there exists a moral code set by God that is absolute under which all humans will be judged. Homosexuality is sin, humans can ignore that and set their own societal values on it but at the end of the day in the eyes of God it is still sin and this is absolute. It's much like a personal opinion vs a legal system. To scale it down a bit we can make a comparison to the legal system. A household may have the opinion that it's ok to steal. Their moral code may be that if you have the strength and power to take something then that thing belongs to you, a survival of the fittest attitude. They can hold their belief and steal, but the legal system does not care. The absolute letter of the law says that it is illegal to steal and when caught and judged those who stole won't have a leg to stand on, their personal morals or relative morals for their household are wrong and that does that excuse their theft. In much the same way humanity can create relative morals for itself, but the absolute moral code still dictates what is right and wrong. The fact that a judge exists (God) with higher authority and ultimate judgement goes beyond the jurisdiction of man and when contrasting the two, the absolute morals are what is right and the relative morals of man are what is wrong.

    Society can accept homosexuality, society can scream and pander that it's morally acceptable and equal to heterosexuality. But at the end of the day, in light of the absolute moral code that governs all existence, homosexuality is wrong and that will not change. Under the absolute moral code individuals will be judged, it doesn't matter what individuals foolishly do with their societies or personal opinions on morals. Truth is knowable, absolute morality exists. Society can do what it wants but those relative morals can indeed be wrong and will indeed be judged by that which is absolute.

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    Re: NOMís July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Some morals are relative, some are absolute. Mankind extends morals based on a relative nature with the majority/those in power dictating what is right and wrong. However, there exists a moral code set by God that is absolute under which all humans will be judged. Homosexuality is sin, humans can ignore that and set their own societal values on it but at the end of the day in the eyes of God it is still sin and this is absolute. It's much like a personal opinion vs a legal system. To scale it down a bit we can make a comparison to the legal system. A household may have the opinion that it's ok to steal. Their moral code may be that if you have the strength and power to take something then that thing belongs to you, a survival of the fittest attitude. They can hold their belief and steal, but the legal system does not care. The absolute letter of the law says that it is illegal to steal and when caught and judged those who stole won't have a leg to stand on, their personal morals or relative morals for their household are wrong and that does that excuse their theft. In much the same way humanity can create relative morals for itself, but the absolute moral code still dictates what is right and wrong. The fact that a judge exists (God) with higher authority and ultimate judgement goes beyond the jurisdiction of man and when contrasting the two, the absolute morals are what is right and the relative morals of man are what is wrong.

    Society can accept homosexuality, society can scream and pander that it's morally acceptable and equal to heterosexuality. But at the end of the day, in light of the absolute moral code that governs all existence, homosexuality is wrong and that will not change. Under the absolute moral code individuals will be judged, it doesn't matter what individuals foolishly do with their societies or personal opinions on morals. Truth is knowable, absolute morality exists. Society can do what it wants but those relative morals can indeed be wrong and will indeed be judged by that which is absolute.
    My god has no problems with homosexuality and since unlike your god my god is real your post is meaningless
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    Re: NOMís July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    My god has no problems with homosexuality and since unlike your god my god is real your post is meaningless
    Then you must be wrong. There is only 1 God with 1 truth (the Bible). You are free to be wrong, but God is not relative. There is but 1 God, 1 truth, and all else is wrong. No wiggle room.

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    Re: NOMís July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Then you must be wrong. There is only 1 God with 1 truth (the Bible). You are free to be wrong, but God is not relative. There is but 1 God, 1 truth, and all else is wrong. No wiggle room.
    Nope sorry you are the one who is wrong no wiggle room on this, my version of god is the correct one you are following a false god. One day maybe you will realize this but I fear you wont
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    Re: NOMís July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Nope sorry you are the one who is wrong no wiggle room on this, my version of god is the correct one you are following a false god. One day maybe you will realize this but I fear you wont
    I see what you're doing, but sadly you are so far mistaken.

    It's not "my opinion vs. your opinion" it's "there is 1 absolute truth, all else is wrong." The Bible is the Word of God with Yahweh being the One True God. Proof is evident in fulfilled Biblical prophecy and the works of the Holy Spirit.

    Many choose to reject the Bible, they refuse from the wickedness and stubbornness in their hearts that prophecy is fulfilled. Many are uncomfortable with living by God's moral code so they choose to reject it, "rationalize" it away, or flat out just refuse to be rational on the issue. The fact remains that there is 1 truth, and that truth if the Bible. All else is wrong, there is no changing that. People can refuse to believe the Bible, they can choose to ignore the factual basis behind it being the word of God, they can adopt some other belief. But at the end of the day people, all beliefs, and all actions will be judged by the One true God under the truth. No exception, that's just the fact of this world

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