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Thread: NOMís July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

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    Re: NOMís July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

    Quote Originally Posted by douglas View Post
    In what way is Homosexuality a disease? The term "aberration" implies that a disease is related to immorality, which then stems from religious ideology. I really can't see how you can say this and then say it has nothing to do with religion. The only people who have any problem with Homosexuality are the religious right; there is no secular basis for your statement, it requires a religious definition of "disease".
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    Abberation:

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    : the fact or an instance of deviating or being aberrant especially from a moral standard or normal state
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    : failure of a mirror, refracting surface, or lens to produce exact point-to-point correspondence between an object and its image
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    : unsoundness or disorder of the mind
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    : a small periodic change of apparent position in celestial bodies due to the combined effect of the motion of light and the motion of the observer

    1 and 3 would be applicable to my usage of the term, while moral standard is mentioned it is not a requirement. Deviating from normal state is also in the definition and does not require religious affiliation.

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    Re: NOMís July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

    Quote Originally Posted by Darrell View Post
    Do you know homosexuality is found out all throughout the Animal Kingdom?
    Are you defining homosexuality as the act or as a sexual preference?

    Yes, some species, such as canines, perform it as an act of dominance.

    Name species that have homosexuality as a normal preference under normal conditions.
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    Re: NOMís July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    LOL, ok, remind me not to take you serisouly. Homosexuality is no more a disease than heterosexuality is.

    Thinking Homosexuality is a disease puts your comments in the bat **** crazy catagory. Thank you for letting me know your ideas are crazy and not to be taken seriously.
    Why are there 2 sexes instead of the species using asexual reproduction?

    Why do we have sexual impulses? What is the evolved purpose of sex?

    If normal, why does anal penetration always cause injury? Why can it cause a variety of problems? Why is the anus not provide, through evolution, with a lubricating function?
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    Re: NOMís July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Why are there 2 sexes instead of the species using asexual reproduction?

    Why do we have sexual impulses? What is the evolved purpose of sex?

    If normal, why does anal penetration always cause injury? Why can it cause a variety of problems? Why is the anus not provide, through evolution, with a lubricating function?
    Why are some people left-handed? Why are some conservative and some liberal? Why are there people that can write with both hands? None of those things are diseases.

    Would you support treating left-handed people lesser than right-handed people? Your comments are just disgusting and I for one will be glad when SSM is legalized and homophobes such as yourself are put into the dark and ridiculed.

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    Re: NOMís July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    This demonstrates that you are uneducated in this topic. Homosexuality is not a disease or disorder, but a normal and natural variation of sexual orientation, just like heterosexuality.



    It has been researched and found to be normal. Your opinion on this matter is irrelevant and meaningless when facts are taken into account.



    Comments like these are nothing but extreme right wing ignorance on topics such as this. Nothing credible at all.
    Proven by whom? What methodology was used to "prove" it?
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    Re: NOMís July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Why are some people left-handed? Why are some conservative and some liberal? Why are there people that can write with both hands? None of those things are diseases.

    Would you support treating left-handed people lesser than right-handed people? Your comments are just disgusting and I for one will be glad when SSM is legalized and homophobes such as yourself are put into the dark and ridiculed.
    How am I a homophobe? I have no fear of or of being homosexual. Fear has absolutely nothing to do with it.

    Being left or right handed or ambidextrous is a function of which side of the brain is dominant.

    Why are some people conservative and some leftist? Different environmental factors during development. Take a look at election maps. You don't find leftist very often outside of urban settings. Rural people are self dependent and believe in doing for themselves. Urban peoples look to others instead of depending on themselves. I say they are not leftist buy don't actually call them conservatives as that term needs greater definition. Many were once Democrats who's part abandoned their believes and they don't actually support most of the corporate/industrialist leaning prevalent in the old Republican party.
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    Re: NOMís July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    I would. It would probably keep my hands from being tied to the hitch of a truck by Billy Backwoods, leaving the DPS the task of cleaning a three mile long blood smear off of the road.


    You mean the faiths that facilitated the persecution and murder of "witches", heathens, heretics, homosexuals, Jews, blacks, gypsies, Pollocks, members of the wrong sect or religion, etc? They can cry me a river.


    Except blacks didn't go to jail back then, there was no release or pardon. Their term was permanent. If you run away, you get sent back where you're either tortured or murdered. After emancipation, they were killed on the spot, or black-bagged and hung from a tree in the middle of a rally. Gays did not endure the same hardships as the blacks. There is no valid comparison to be made.
    No one should have to, and that is the whole point.

    No, the faiths that were getting burned as witches, or slaughtered for not believing as the "majority" or those in power do. Any faith at all that is persecuted, prosecuted, tortured, or murdered for their faith or simply treated as less for their faith/beliefs.

    There was no release of those who were convicted of homosexuality either, particularly those who were involuntarily committed, at least not without missing half their brain and not being able to function normally ever again. So yes, it was different, but still both groups were treated badly from the dawn of this nation.
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    Re: NOMís July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

    It's almost like the stigma gay people used to have has been transferred to westboro christians.
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    Re: NOMís July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Homosexuality is a disease that is an aberration of normal human sexual desires. As a disease, it should not be normalized. It should be researched, the cause found and a cure created. Homosexuality is an abnormality, not a behavior that should be just tolerated for political reasons. It has nothing to do with religion or morals other than possibly as another indication of the decay of our society due to the disease of leftist political views.
    This may be the most dangerously uninformed, bigoted, and blindly partisan post I have ever read.

    Homosexuality is not a "disease". People who think this way are the same people who gave rise to eugenics. That one really worked out well, didn't it.
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    Re: NOMís July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? [W:45]

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    One is absolutely worst than the other. Have you ever been locked up? You don't have to do **** except sit on your ass and not cause trouble. Free food, free clothing, they do your laundry for you, and as long as you don't piss off the wrong people, it's a ****ing vacation.

    Actually, they discriminate because of religious and traditional beliefs that view homosexuality as being morally wrong. Thinly veiled ad homs aren't an argument.

    That's a crap argument and you know it. They were convicted for the sexual act of sodomy, which was a stupid law. Just like putting a 17 year old kid in jail for having sex with a 16 year old girl is stupid. That kid was just being who he is, no different than the gay, or the drunk guy who lost his pants.
    You're wrong. Some were convicted for just being homosexual. Many were involuntarily committed for being homosexual, not for sodomy. They were not just forced to sit around either. They forced to endure "cures", such as electroshock therapy, castration (both chemical and physical), lobotomies, and more.

    They were not simply there for "sodomy" violations. Some, prior to the early 70s, were put on those lists for being gay. Sodomy laws were around until 2003, whereas laws against homosexuality itself were in place up til around the early 70s, when it was finally removed from the DSM.
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