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Top Cat said:
Are you ****ing kidding me? Flying NG airplanes in the US is more dangerous than the swift boats in Nam? You've clearly outdone yourself.:roll:
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You obviously didn't read what I wrote. Kerry signed up thinking he would be on a big ship safely at sea. He was outraged when Zumwalt assigned guys like him to the DANGEROUS swift boat duty

HE NEVER INTENDED TO DO THAT
 
Top Cat said:
show me a soldier in Viet Nam that wouldn't have happily traded Dubya or Cheney any day?

Honestly, you really are embarrassing yourself.
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or for what Kerry wanted-safe duty on a big cruiser or battleship.

Your failure to actually read what I wrote is hilarious.
 
TurtleDude said:
or for what Kerry wanted-safe duty on a big cruiser or battleship.

Your failure to actually read what I wrote is hilarious.
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Tell me Turdle, what exactly do you think Dubya was thinking when he joined the Air Guard?

Oh wait, it's different because he's your hero.
 
Top Cat said:
Then you can explain why so many veterans despise McFake? His voting record is pathetic.
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lots of people suck on the public tit. others thought McCain was a RINO. so the lefties didn't like him and the hard core conservatives didn't like him. Lots of veterans cannot stand Kerry and even more detest Obama/Biden. If only veterans could vote do you think Obama or Clinton would have won an election?
 
TurtleDude said:
You obviously didn't read what I wrote. Kerry signed up thinking he would be on a big ship safely at sea. He was outraged when Zumwalt assigned guys like him to the DANGEROUS swift boat duty

HE NEVER INTENDED TO DO THAT
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He did it though. Just like so many others. Meanwhile Bush couldn't even finish his stint at home. Who served in harm's way?
 
Top Cat said:
Tell me Turdle, what exactly do you think Dubya was thinking when he joined the Air Guard?

Oh wait, it's different because he's your hero.
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I don't have heroes in political office. at best I see government and politicians as necessary evils. He probably didn't want to be in a rice paddy -same as Kerry when he joined the navy. the navy only lost about 1100 people in the nam, most of whom were aviators and special ops guys like the SEALS or UDT. Kerry never thought he'd be on a swift boat when he signed up
 
TurtleDude said:
lots of people suck on the public tit. others thought McCain was a RINO. so the lefties didn't like him and the hard core conservatives didn't like him. Lots of veterans cannot stand Kerry and even more detest Obama/Biden. If only veterans could vote do you think Obama or Clinton would have won an election?
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Nice dodge.

You can't admit that McFake turned his back on fellow vets, yet it's so easy for you to discredit Kerry.
 
Top Cat said:
He did it though. Just like so many others. Meanwhile Bush couldn't even finish his stint at home. Who served in harm's way?
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and he did everything he could to get out as fast as he could

you have no evidence that bush would have shirked going if he had been ordered. the fact is, you use this because you don't like Bush but when McCain ran against two guys who didn't serve-one of whom was a draft dodger (Biden) you claim it didn't matter so I find the hypocrisy hilarious
 
TurtleDude said:
I don't have heroes in political office. at best I see government and politicians as necessary evils. He probably didn't want to be in a rice paddy -same as Kerry when he joined the navy. the navy only lost about 1100 people in the nam, most of whom were aviators and special ops guys like the SEALS or UDT. Kerry never thought he'd be on a swift boat when he signed up
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I'm quite sure you would have volunteered for front line duty.
 
TurtleDude said:
Bush didnt dodge the draft. flying airplanes was more dangerous than what Kerry intended to do. It was only after he signed up did he find out that he would be in danger's way
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...but not as dangerous as what Kerry did, so if this was intended to be a rebuttal point, it's a strange one.
 
Top Cat said:
Nice dodge.

You can't admit that McFake turned his back on fellow vets, yet it's so easy for you to discredit Kerry.
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Are you pretending to speak for vets now? vets have all sorts of politics, Some are going to be big government tit suckers-others are going to hate the nanny state
 
radcen said:
...but not as dangerous as what Kerry did, so if this was intended to be a rebuttal point, it's a strange one.
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you confuse intent with actions. kerry wanted a safe job--his superior made him do something he didn't want to do so he used the three band aid rule to get out
 
TurtleDude said:
and he did everything he could to get out as fast as he could
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And you would have begged to stay wouldn't you?

you have no evidence that bush would have shirked going if he had been ordered.
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And so easily you buy the right wing propaganda on Kerry?

Keep em comin Shecky.
 
Top Cat said:
I'm quite sure you would have volunteered for front line duty.
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I graduated HS in 77. There was no war then. Its stupid to go into the military if you have better options such (as in my case) places in the Class of 1981 at yale and Amherst. In 1979, after I was national champion, the Army Marksmanship Unit offered me a 4 year enlistment to shoot for the army when I graduated. In 1981 I had places at Stanford, Chicago, Columbia Cornell Duke and Harvard law schools (among others) The NCO running the USAMU said I was doing the right thing to attend law school. As he noted, Son, you're a hell of a shooter but there's a lot more career opportunities for Ivy league law graduates than retired army shooters.
 
Top Cat said:
And you would have begged to stay wouldn't you?



And so easily you buy the right wing propaganda on Kerry?

Keep em comin Shecky.
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I would have been shooting for the army shooting team if I had enlisted. That is what happens when you are a world class shooter at age 19 as I was

tell me where did you serve TC
 
Top Cat said:
They don't need my help.

Google
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You sure act as if you are a vet. So I ask-when did you serve

as to that group-ts mostly far righties. Hardly people who'd find your politics worthwhile
 
rocket88 said:
Which Bush? HW was in WWII, no doubting that. W used his dad's connections to get into the National Guard instead of going to 'Nam.
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What did "'Nam" get us? Kinda like whats Afganistan and or Iraq getting us?
 
TurtleDude said:
I graduated HS in 77. There was no war then. Its stupid to go into the military if you have better options such (as in my case) places in the Class of 1981 at yale and Amherst. In 1979, after I was national champion, the Army Marksmanship Unit offered me a 4 year enlistment to shoot for the army when I graduated. In 1981 I had places at Stanford, Chicago, Columbia Cornell Duke and Harvard law schools (among others) The NCO running the USAMU said I was doing the right thing to attend law school. As he noted, Son, you're a hell of a shooter but there's a lot more career opportunities for Ivy league law graduates than retired army shooters.
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And yet your life is so different and it's so easy to justify your choices?
 
CRUE CAB said:
What did "'Nam" get us? Kinda like whats Afganistan and or Iraq getting us?
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True enough. Of course if he had went to Vietnam, W might have learned enough to avoid Iraq....
 
TurtleDude said:
You sure act as if you are a vet. So I ask-when did you serve

as to that group-ts mostly far righties. Hardly people who'd find your politics worthwhile
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I didn't serve. I never made a claim that I did. But I am a fervent supporter of vets. I find their treatment unconscionable by many of those who claim they care.

That said, there are plenty of vets from both sides of the political spectrum that are pissed off at McCain.

Iraq, Afghanistan vets criticize McCain over GI Bill

The head of a nonpartisan group dedicated to helping American veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan today criticized Republican nominee John McCain's opposition to the recently signed GI Bill, predicting that his opposition would haunt him at the polls this November. The comments came as Republican delegates to the GOP national convention put together care packages for soldiers serving in Iraq.


Honestly? That's it? You discredit this organization as far right and label all in it as such? Well then how about this one? Oh wait, they are no
"We were baffled by Sen. McCain's position," said Paul Rieckhoff, executive director and founder of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America (IAVA). "Not only because he's a veteran, but because he has a son in the Marine Corps and a son at the Naval Academy. And he's a guy who went to school on Uncle Sam's dime."
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Iraq, Afghanistan vets criticize McCain over GI Bill | MinnPost
 
TurtleDude said:
I would have been shooting for the army shooting team if I had enlisted. That is what happens when you are a world class shooter at age 19 as I was

tell me where did you serve TC
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I did serve. TD you DON'T speak for all/many vets anymore than TC does. There were vets who were war criminals, that was buried deep and fast- though we all remember My Lai... we tend to not call our soldiers war criminals when they rape, murder, loot the civilian population... makes for bad press.

You would never have enlisted, but you could easily gone through ROTC or even The Point as your family had connections. No slag for a guy to do a few years in service to country as an officer. You combine college with military training, pretty slick.

Oh as an aside... Marine Hathcock won major competitions to include Camp Perry and Wimbledon Cup and wound up an MP in Vietnam. So no telling where a bright, gifted hard charger such as yourself would have ended up.

Oh and when it comes to 'dangerous' stateside flying and Guard units. Many Guard units were exempt from call-up and used by those who could pull strings as a good safe place to sit the war out that didn't require you to learn french.
 
Which Bush made a better choice of VP draft-dodger, the one who chose Cheney or Quayle?
 
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