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    White House To Delay Obamacare's Employer Mandate Until 2015

    The Obama administration has decided to delay the implementation of Obamacare’s employer mandate—the requirement that all firms with 50 or more employees offer health coverage, or pay steep fines—until 2015. The mandate was supposed to go into effect on January 1, 2014. This development will have a significant impact on the rollout of Obamacare, the private health insurance market, and the nation’s economy, as I detail below.
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth...urance-market/

    Since when can the executive simply alter the terms of a law as passed by congress? To delay the implementation of a law (ignore enforcement) should not be simply an executive option. My take is that this unpopular portion of the PPACA law was found to have a huge negative impact on the 2014 elections, especially for those Democrats (the only ones that supported it) so Obama will simply ignore it prior to those elections.
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    Re: White House To Delay Obamacare's Employer Mandate Until 2015

    Liberals before Obamacare was rammed down our throats against our will "We are in a HC Crisis! We NEED Obamacare now! We don't have time to read the bill!Just pass it!"

    Liberals now "It can wait until after the election"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1ht8msGqwI

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    Re: White House To Delay Obamacare's Employer Mandate Until 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    White House To Delay Obamacare's Employer Mandate Until 2015; Far-Reaching Implications For The Private Health Insurance Market - Forbes

    Since when can the executive simply alter the terms of a law as passed by congress? To delay the implementation of a law (ignore enforcement) should not be simply an executive option. My take is that this unpopular portion of the PPACA law was found to have a huge negative impact on the 2014 elections, especially for those Democrats (the only ones that supported it) so Obama will simply ignore it prior to those elections.

    HHS is given discretion on some of it.

    Businesses whine about the mandate, want more time, given more time, OBAMA BAD.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: White House To Delay Obamacare's Employer Mandate Until 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    HHS is given discretion on some of it.

    Businesses whine about the mandate, want more time, given more time, OBAMA BAD.
    Cite the source for this bold assertion. First we were told that, in all states, the PPACA exchanges would offer "competititive" plans by 1/1/2014 - but no longer.

    The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services released proposed guidelines for the exchanges, where individuals and small businesses will be able to shop for health insurance beginning in 2014.
    Federal Health Insurance Exchange Guidelines Released

    http://www.acscan.org/pdf/healthcare...onsProgram.pdf

    Beginning in 2014, an Exchange will be established in each state to help consumers make valid comparisons between plans that are certified to have met benchmarks for quality and affordability.
    http://www.nh.gov/insurance/consumer...s/naic_faq.pdf
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    Re: White House To Delay Obamacare's Employer Mandate Until 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Cite the source for this bold assertion. First we were told that, in all states, the PPACA exchanges would offer "competititive" plans by 1/1/2014 - but no longer.



    Federal Health Insurance Exchange Guidelines Released

    http://www.acscan.org/pdf/healthcare...onsProgram.pdf



    http://www.nh.gov/insurance/consumer...s/naic_faq.pdf
    You seem to be confusing insurance exchanges for the employer mandate. The exchanges are still going to be implemented.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: White House To Delay Obamacare's Employer Mandate Until 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You seem to be confusing insurance exchanges for the employer mandate. The exchanges are still going to be implemented.
    You seem to be confusing what the PPACA law actually says and how the administration is choosing to implement it. I asked you to provide a link as to what portion of the PPACA law allows DHHS to alter the established implementation phase dates. You failed to do so, and instead call those that doubt your undocumented word confused. The exchanges are not being implmented as the PPACA law says, because the DHHS has had extreme difficulty in finding takers (at competitive rates) to offer plans to small businesses, so instead they have simply elected to delay that "hard to do" part, which they were initially hoping that the states would do for them as "mandated".
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    Re: White House To Delay Obamacare's Employer Mandate Until 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    HHS is given discretion on some of it.

    Businesses whine about the mandate, want more time, given more time, OBAMA BAD.
    People didn't want this law, got this law, OBAMA BAD.

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    Re: White House To Delay Obamacare's Employer Mandate Until 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    HHS is given discretion on some of it.

    Businesses whine about the mandate, want more time, given more time, OBAMA BAD.
    Most of the country wants more time. Like 500 years or so. What are the chances he'll listen to us?

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    Re: White House To Delay Obamacare's Employer Mandate Until 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    You seem to be confusing what the PPACA law actually says and how the administration is choosing to implement it. I asked you to provide a link as to what portion of the PPACA law allows DHHS to alter the established implementation phase dates. You failed to do so, and instead call those that doubt your undocumented word confused. The exchanges are not being implmented as the PPACA law says, because the DHHS has had extreme difficulty in finding takers (at competitive rates) to offer plans to small businesses, so instead they have simply elected to delay that "hard to do" part, which they were initially hoping that the states would do for them as "mandated".
    What is being delayed is the enforcement of the employer mandate, not implementation of the exchanges. You want me to show documentation that the Treasury can decide not to collect revenue?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: White House To Delay Obamacare's Employer Mandate Until 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    What is being delayed is the enforcement of the employer mandate, not implementation of the exchanges. You want me to show documentation that the Treasury can decide not to collect revenue?
    Yes. Show me where the PPACA law says that it is up to the Treasury to decide whether they will enforce the law. Do you assert that a GOP president can simply not play PPACA (or any part thereof) at their discretion? If the administration can decide what to collect then why not what not to pay out as well?
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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