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    Re: Lois Lernerís price for testimony: Immunity

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I'm saying we can't say for sure one way or the other based on the evidence so far. Person A knowing =/= Person B knowing.
    Which is more or less exactly what I meant. Leave the folder on the desk, leave the room for 10 minutes, come back, take the folder and leave.

    Plausibly deniable sort of way. Lets put it this way---if you were the Chief Counsel for the White House and there was a possible problem that was going to look like political targeting with the IRS---wouldnt you tell your boss about it? Or would you just "handle" it. Im betting you would push that one to the front office unless you were the guy who initiated the program.

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    Re: Lois Lernerís price for testimony: Immunity

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    She has invoked her 5th Amendment rights.

    If you want the truth then immunity will be appropriate. The political hostility that leads people to twist people's words and engage in trickery are the reason people are like this. "Well early you testified that the file was big and now you are saying it is large. Which is it, big or large and why are you changing your story?"
    that is in question, when you invoke your right, you state that purpose and only that purpose, and dont go into a statement, ...........that you are innocent, and have done nothing wrong.

    its the same as saying i get to give you my defense, ..........but you cant ask me any questions.

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    Re: Lois Lernerís price for testimony: Immunity

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Well that's because your expectations are low...
    Heh. Maybe. I think it could be performance related.

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    Re: Lois Lernerís price for testimony: Immunity

    It's rather curious that not a single conservative group was denied by the IRS. Not one.

    "...The Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration's audit found (page 14) that "For the 296 potential political cases we reviewed, as of December 17, 2012, 108 applications had been approved, 28 were withdrawn by the applicant, none had been denied, and 160 cases were open from 206 to 1,138 calendar days (some crossing two election cycles)."[14] Bloomberg News reported on May 14, 2013 that "None of the Republican groups have said their applications were rejected....
    IRS Sent Same Letter to Democrats That Fed Tea Party Row - Bloomberg

    2013 IRS scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    At this point, it's just another GOP political witch hunt. Funny thing is, it's the Bush appointees that are getting caught in the crossfire.

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    Re: Lois Lernerís price for testimony: Immunity

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post

    At this point, it's just another GOP political witch hunt. Funny thing is, it's the Bush appointees that are getting caught in the crossfire.
    But it's the democrats who all have carrots on their noses. Lois is simply claiming now that someone in the administration put the carrot on her nose, but she got better when she knew she'd have to testify.

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    Re: Lois Lernerís price for testimony: Immunity

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    I thought i heard the immunity thing also ,see my post above.

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    Re: Lois Lernerís price for testimony: Immunity

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I have not now, nor have I ever defended the actions of the IRS, except in the minds of Conservatives who say "Uhh...he doesn't think Darrel Issa is a Saint. He's defending them!"

    Their actions were wrong, but that is not what interests Issa or his committee. That is not why the hearings are being held, and that is not why you are beating their drum for them.


    Laughable. This is not about Issa. This is about the IRS under the Obama Administration acting like the Gestapo. Your logic would be like the Nazis claiming that any investigation into the burning of synagogues wouldn't be credible if the investigation was done by Jews.

    "I don't condone what the IRS, but they are a victim of teh ebil Issa or something"

    Your excuses are pathetic and a smokescreen. Do you think the IRS was concerned that the Obama Administration was going to crack down on them and hold them accountable for specifically targeting Americans for their political beliefs? Yea, I don't think so. You don't care about the truth. You want this swept under the rug. It's obvious.

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    Re: Lois Lernerís price for testimony: Immunity

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    that is in question, when you invoke your right, you state that purpose and only that purpose, and dont go into a statement, ...........that you are innocent, and have done nothing wrong.

    its the same as saying i get to give you my defense, ..........but you cant ask me any questions.
    No people can stop a police interrogation and invoke their rights whenever they want. It isn't like because they answer a question that they have magically lost their rights. The difference is when it happens in the courtroom as opposed to out of court and a Congressional hearing room is not a court room so the courtroom testimony rules do not apply.

    In the end this is all theater. The Congressmen want to get her to say something that can be cut into a soundbite that will be followed by them prancing and posing for the cameras. If they wanted the truth they could bring back the special prosecutors or have offered her immunity going in. They wanted her to invoke her rights on TV, which she was smart for doing, because it creates the illusion that there is criminal behavior going on. That she was smart enough to not let herself be ripped to shreds by a bunch of hacks who could give a crap about the truth is to her credit. In case you have not noticed, every Representative's time consists of them asking a couple short answer questions and then yammering on endlessly on behalf of their side of the aisle--either praising somebody or condemning somebody. These things are a waste of taxpayer money if there is a TV camera in the room.

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    Re: Lois Lernerís price for testimony: Immunity

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    But it's the democrats who all have carrots on their noses. Lois is simply claiming now that someone in the administration put the carrot on her nose, but she got better when she knew she'd have to testify.
    Interesting. So what and where did Lerner claim someone in the adminstration "put a carrot on her nose"...so to speak?

    Why would Lerner spill the beans before she got her "immunity" deal?

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    Re: Lois Lernerís price for testimony: Immunity

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    No people can stop a police interrogation and invoke their rights whenever they want. It isn't like because they answer a question that they have magically lost their rights. The difference is when it happens in the courtroom as opposed to out of court and a Congressional hearing room is not a court room so the courtroom testimony rules do not apply.

    In the end this is all theater. The Congressmen want to get her to say something that can be cut into a soundbite that will be followed by them prancing and posing for the cameras. If they wanted the truth they could bring back the special prosecutors or have offered her immunity going in. They wanted her to invoke her rights on TV, which she was smart for doing, because it creates the illusion that there is criminal behavior going on. That she was smart enough to not let herself be ripped to shreds by a bunch of hacks who could give a crap about the truth is to her credit. In case you have not noticed, every Representative's time consists of them asking a couple short answer questions and then yammering on endlessly on behalf of their side of the aisle--either praising somebody or condemning somebody. These things are a waste of taxpayer money if there is a TV camera in the room.

    well i listen to a constitutional judge on the issue, and he stated there is validity on both sides of the isle....but he did state it leaned against the woman in question, becuase of more rulings against what she did..

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