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    Re: Lois Lerner’s price for testimony: Immunity

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    And specifically targeting Americans for their political beliefs isn't political?

    You're acting like the two are not connected. That if this investigation damages Obama politically (especially if it's shown he or his campaign/administration coordinated it) that it's somehow not credible or justified. It's not the Republicans fault that the IRS under Obama is acting the like the Gestapo and specifically targeting Americans for their beliefs.

    Who else is going to investigate this? Who else has the power? You think the Democrats are going to investigate their own fascism and corruption?
    Pretty good example of why Fox News rots your brain.
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    Re: Lois Lerner’s price for testimony: Immunity

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Pretty good example of why Fox News rots your brain.
    A very liberal Obama sycophant tossing out the Fox News card

    I've never seen this before on these forums. JK

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    Re: Lois Lerner’s price for testimony: Immunity

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    A very liberal Obama sycophant tossing out the Fox News card

    I've never seen this before on these forums. JK
    It's pretty obvious you digest information from Fox News. You're still throwing out the possibility of an "Obama connection" when there has been no indication whatsoever of one. Not to mention new information coming out is pointing to the possibility that it wasn't just conservative groups "targeted" it was a host of groups from across the ideological spectrum that were political in nature.
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    Re: Lois Lerner’s price for testimony: Immunity

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    None of the groups you mentioned are 501(c)(4) "public welfare" organizations.
    Media Matters is actually a 501c3. To me, this is an even bigger abomination than if they were a c4. Basically any of these groups, whether on the left or right, should not be 501c4. It is only because the IRS, for decades, has not followed the original language of what a 501c4 group was supposed to operate like that this "loophole" is now being exploited at the level that it currently is. They started down this slippery slope long ago and because of the Citizens United ruling they are now faced with a mountain instead of a molehill.

    These groups should either have to file 527 or cease any and all political activity.
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    Re: Lois Lerner’s price for testimony: Immunity

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    None of the groups you mentioned are 501(c)(4) "public welfare" organizations.
    Hair splitting at best, since Media Matters is tax exempt under 501(c)(3) "charitable", and is also specifically prohibited from engaging in many political activities.

    Want to File an IRS Complaint Against Media Matters? Click Here... - Fox Nation

    Exemption requirements: 501(c)(3) organizations
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    Re: Lois Lerner’s price for testimony: Immunity

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Media Matters is actually a 501c3.
    Like I said they aren't a 501(c)(4).

    To me, this is an even bigger abomination than if they were a c4
    Why? Conservative and Liberal groups have existed under 501(c)(3) status forever based on "educating the populace". There's nothing requiring you to be non-partisan in "educating" individuals.

    These groups should either have to file 527 or cease any and all political activity
    Ehhh....I agree with you on the idea that there's a lot of funny business but I think there should be non-profit statuses for groups that just educate and don't campaign (like "Media Matters" or "Citizens Against Government Waste" to use the other side).
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    Re: Lois Lerner’s price for testimony: Immunity

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Hair splitting at best, since Media Matters is tax exempt under 501(c)(3) "charitable", and is also specifically prohibited from engaging in many political activities.

    Want to File an IRS Complaint Against Media Matters? Click Here... - Fox Nation

    Exemption requirements: 501(c)(3) organizations
    First of all....Media Matters is not the only partisan tax exempt group under 501(c)(3) which is what you would deduce from Fox Nation reporting.

    In fact here's a list of some 501(c)(3) conservative organizations with some existing since the 80's.

    PolicyExperts.org - The Insider Guide to Public Policy Experts and Organizations

    Media Matters doesn't campaign, lobby, or fund ads against any political canidates.

    There's a huge difference between being a political action group and being extremely partisan. Like in my link I posted...Conservative groups have been "educating the populace" under 501(3)(c) status for decades. The gumshoe reporters at Fox Nation must of just missed that easy to google information.
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    Re: Lois Lerner’s price for testimony: Immunity

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    And you do not? Your defense of the IRS "targetting" seems entirely based upon politics. If a labor union spends 90% (or more) of its funds supporting liberal candiates/causes is that not politics as well?

    Political Spending by Unions Far Exceeds Direct Donations - WSJ.com
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    Re: Lois Lerner’s price for testimony: Immunity

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Correction: rocket88 cares more about politics than truth
    I have not now, nor have I ever defended the actions of the IRS, except in the minds of Conservatives who say "Uhh...he doesn't think Darrel Issa is a Saint. He's defending them!"

    Their actions were wrong, but that is not what interests Issa or his committee. That is not why the hearings are being held, and that is not why you are beating their drum for them.


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    Re: Lois Lerner’s price for testimony: Immunity

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I'm not defending it. I never have.
    Being against those going after it is not that different from supporting it.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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