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    Re: The Border Patrol Wants to Arm Drones.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat152 View Post
    America was built on Immigrants, and they are still a major drive in our economy. One of the parts of Immigration Reform is changing the system so that more high skilled Immigrants can get in, which would greatly benefit our economy. Why are so against Immigration?
    Controlled (legal) immigration is one thing, open borders/amnesty is quite another. Parts of immigration reform are allowing many millions of uneducated and very low skilled "illegal" immigrants to be instantly transformed into legal "permanent residents" as well.
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    Re: The Border Patrol Wants to Arm Drones.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat152 View Post
    That's exactly why I don't want it broken up, only half would get done. Everyone would OK Border Security and when it came to "Amnesty" House Republicans would say "We're not going to discuss that, its not happening" . I hate it as much as you do, but you and I both know its true. Look, statistics show that we are deporting more people than ever, and net Illegal Immigration is 0, and according to some estimates the negatives, as many are getting deported or leaving on their own. So, where exactly is the security problem?
    About 11 million illegal (undocumented?) aliens are now here - is that not indicative of a "security problem"? Immigration reform was broken up in 1986 with "promises" of better immigraton law enforcement that, of course, never happened. While border enforcement has indeed been improved (we now have about 20K border patrol agents) the enforcement related to those that make it into the interior is nearly non-existant (we now have about 5K ICE agents) and about 7% of new hires being subjected to E-verify checks. An estimated 40% of the current illegal aliens did not enter illegally, they simply overstayed their "temporary" visas.
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    Re: The Border Patrol Wants to Arm Drones.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat152 View Post
    America was built on Immigrants, and they are still a major drive in our economy. One of the parts of Immigration Reform is changing the system so that more high skilled Immigrants can get in, which would greatly benefit our economy. Why are so against Immigration?
    I am against any immigration without a requirement for integration into society. That means speaking English and becoming a responsible American Citizen.

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    Re: The Border Patrol Wants to Arm Drones.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat152 View Post
    That's exactly why I don't want it broken up, only half would get done. Everyone would OK Border Security and when it came to "Amnesty" House Republicans would say "We're not going to discuss that, its not happening" . I hate it as much as you do, but you and I both know its true. Look, statistics show that we are deporting more people than ever, and net Illegal Immigration is 0, and according to some estimates the negatives, as many are getting deported or leaving on their own. So, where exactly is the security problem?
    The opposite of '86? I doubt it. There is nothing that has been done on our southern border which can't be undone simply by reducing manpower at the border. Legislation has proven ineffective and is ignored, and this is not partisan in nature. Bush dawdled and let things stand as they were intentionally. The two parties are way too busy vying for votes to effect a realistic solution. Stop the leaks, and then address the repairs.

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    Re: The Border Patrol Wants to Arm Drones.....

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Why? Because such legislation always seems to end up with half not getting done. A law passed in Congress already exists which requires a border fence. The fence isn't built. It is possible to claim that because the border is not secure, we have an illegal immigration problem, and the two are therefore intimately entwined. They aren't. The border is not secure. Secure the border. Having done that, then we can talk about whatever just treatment can be determined for the illegals already here. I think the public would be more inclined to deal gently with such illegals with the assurance we won't have to address the issue again.
    I would be...so long as all that was on their criminal records was illegal entry into the US.

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    I have no problem with "medieval", as you know. Why was the real Dracula so feared?.... He made it very clearly visible what happened to those who crossed him.
    Yes, I do know. But I also know that you value nobility, and in 2013, leaving human corpses to rot is barbaric and ignoble.

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    Re: The Border Patrol Wants to Arm Drones.....

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I would be...so long as all that was on their criminal records was illegal entry into the US.
    Me too. I can accept those who have come here to honestly work and/or raise a family. I don't want to spend the rest of my days wondering which of the Death to America crowd have squirmed across a porous border in order to fulfill some whacked out Imam's darkest desires. I don't think anybody else does, either.

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    Re: The Border Patrol Wants to Arm Drones.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    About 11 million illegal (undocumented?) aliens are now here - is that not indicative of a "security problem"? Immigration reform was broken up in 1986 with "promises" of better immigraton law enforcement that, of course, never happened. While border enforcement has indeed been improved (we now have about 20K border patrol agents) the enforcement related to those that make it into the interior is nearly non-existant (we now have about 5K ICE agents) and about 7% of new hires being subjected to E-verify checks. An estimated 40% of the current illegal aliens did not enter illegally, they simply overstayed their "temporary" visas.
    But most of them got here years ago. How exactly does that represent a Border Problem Now? I must add, the current immigration reform bill supports the usage of E-Verify on a large scale....Anyways, don't get me wrong, I am willing to deal with the Border Security increases, as long as they come packaged in their current form with all the other Immigration Modifications. If it comes apart from everything else, I doubt any Democrat would support it. We are willing to bite our lip about the wasteful spending as long as we get what we want to. I for one, wont support a proposal swinging anymore to the right.

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    Re: The Border Patrol Wants to Arm Drones.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat152 View Post
    But most of them got here years ago. How exactly does that represent a Border Problem Now? I must add, the current immigration reform bill supports the usage of E-Verify on a large scale....Anyways, don't get me wrong, I am willing to deal with the Border Security increases, as long as they come packaged in their current form with all the other Immigration Modifications. If it comes apart from everything else, I doubt any Democrat would support it. We are willing to bite our lip about the wasteful spending as long as we get what we want to. I for one, wont support a proposal swinging anymore to the right.
    IMV, once the border is proven to be secure, our visa system has the proven ability track who is here and where they are, and E-Verify is a requirement for all businesses, then we should debate how to deal with those who broke ours laws to enter the country...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: The Border Patrol Wants to Arm Drones.....

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    IMV, once the border is proven to be secure, our visa system has the proven ability track who is here and where they are, and E-Verify is a requirement for all businesses, then we should debate how to deal with those who broke ours laws to enter the country...
    and who will ultimatly determine when the border is secure, and what are the standards used to judge its security?

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