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    Re: The Border Patrol Wants to Arm Drones.....

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Given all the hubub over the cost of securing the border, I'm starting to lean toward just mining the damn thing.
    What will that do for the Tunnels they are now running underneath? Also for miles and to even drive vehicles thru?

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    Re: The Border Patrol Wants to Arm Drones.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    What will that do for the Tunnels they are now running underneath? Also for miles and to even drive vehicles thru?
    Well, MMC, I said that somewhat, somewhat tongue in cheek. Mining would be effective, but incredibly inhuman. I'm just frustrated that such a simple thing as border security to maintain sovereignty causes so much angst and inaction. This should be a non-partisan issue, and I think it is. I'm going to look for some polls on this. Must be a bunch of them.

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    Re: The Border Patrol Wants to Arm Drones.....

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Heya Humbolt. Yeah the House says their version will be about the Border. The Senate bill they say is DOA. Sunday I was listening to one of the Heads of the Committees in the House. He said Border Security before Amnesty. Then he talk about E verify and then Student Visas, Work Visas, and Obama's condition now for same sex couples to be added to the Bill. Which he says all of these have to be addressed before Any talk of Amnesty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Humbolt. Yeah the House says their version will be about the Border. The Senate bill they say is DOA. Sunday I was listening to one of the Heads of the Committees in the House. He said Border Security before Amnesty. Then he talk about E verify and then Student Visas, Work Visas, and Obama's condition now for same sex couples to be added to the Bill. Which he says all of these have to be addressed before Any talk of Amnesty.
    It should be broken into two parts, with the border fixed before immigrant status is even discussed. Tying the two together is disingenuous - they are two separate problems as we learned in 1986.

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    Re: The Border Patrol Wants to Arm Drones.....

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    It should be broken into two parts, with the border fixed before immigrant status is even discussed. Tying the two together is disingenuous - they are two separate problems as we learned in 1986.
    Why separate them? The bill in its current state only allows green cards to go our to illegal Immigrants after the Border Security features have been implemented. It kills two birds with one stone. Breaking apart the bill just reduces the chance of anything getting done. That's not even to go into the fact that Net Illegal Immigration is 0, and according to some estimates in the negatives....

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    Re: The Border Patrol Wants to Arm Drones.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat152 View Post
    Why separate them? The bill in its current state only allows green cards to go our to illegal Immigrants after the Border Security features have been implemented. It kills two birds with one stone. Breaking apart the bill just reduces the chance of anything getting done. That's not even to go into the fact that Net Illegal Immigration is 0, and according to some estimates in the negatives....
    Why? Because such legislation always seems to end up with half not getting done. A law passed in Congress already exists which requires a border fence. The fence isn't built. It is possible to claim that because the border is not secure, we have an illegal immigration problem, and the two are therefore intimately entwined. They aren't. The border is not secure. Secure the border. Having done that, then we can talk about whatever just treatment can be determined for the illegals already here. I think the public would be more inclined to deal gently with such illegals with the assurance we won't have to address the issue again.

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    Re: The Border Patrol Wants to Arm Drones.....

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Why? Because such legislation always seems to end up with half not getting done. A law passed in Congress already exists which requires a border fence. The fence isn't built. It is possible to claim that because the border is not secure, we have an illegal immigration problem, and the two are therefore intimately entwined. They aren't. The border is not secure. Secure the border. Having done that, then we can talk about whatever just treatment can be determined for the illegals already here. I think the public would be more inclined to deal gently with such illegals with the assurance we won't have to address the issue again.
    That's exactly why I don't want it broken up, only half would get done. Everyone would OK Border Security and when it came to "Amnesty" House Republicans would say "We're not going to discuss that, its not happening" . I hate it as much as you do, but you and I both know its true. Look, statistics show that we are deporting more people than ever, and net Illegal Immigration is 0, and according to some estimates the negatives, as many are getting deported or leaving on their own. So, where exactly is the security problem?

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    Re: The Border Patrol Wants to Arm Drones.....

    Until net illegal immigration is -11,000,000 or so, and there are sufficient security measures in place to keep it that way, no new immigration should be allowed.... Legal or Illegal.

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    Re: The Border Patrol Wants to Arm Drones.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Until net illegal immigration is -11,000,000 or so, and there are sufficient security measures in place to keep it that way, no new immigration should be allowed.... Legal or Illegal.
    America was built on Immigrants, and they are still a major drive in our economy. One of the parts of Immigration Reform is changing the system so that more high skilled Immigrants can get in, which would greatly benefit our economy. Why are so against Immigration?

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