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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Whoa... That's really bad. First, harassing somebody who didn't do anything, then shooting a dog that wasn't being aggressive. It's pretty obvious in the video that the dog isn't acting aggressive or any way, he just runs up to his owner because he's being man-handled by pieces of ****.
    Damn... your so good you should apply to be a judge and get on a bench...

    You can judge someone's guilty or innocence so quickly you'd only work half days for the rest of your life.



    You have no clue what this person did or did not do.
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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Of course it does. The man seen in the video has a history of negative interaction with the Hawthorne Police department. He entered into an ongoing police action scene, bringing his dog with him.
    And, as someone already pointed out, the Hawthorne Police Department doesn't have a stellar record itself. The individual was doing nothing that should be considered illegal. It is our duty as citizens to watch the watchers.

    It has been reported by witnesses he was vocal at the scene.
    There is no reason to arrest someone standing behind the barricades and being vocal.

    As the video evidence shows, he was prepared to be arrested by approaching police officers.
    He knew a camera was on him. Of course he is going to be fully cooperative.

    Should they have shot his dog? I don't know. They did. It's a bad deal that the owner put his dog in a situation where the dog was only doing what it thought was right.
    The owner did the right thing by putting the dog in the car. If you watch the video in full you would see the dog forcing its way through a partially opened window. The cops knew the dog was there and should have made sure he was completely secure before doing anything at all. At worst, give the man a ticket.

    One thing is absolutely sure, the dog would be alive had Rosby not involved himself in a difficult scene. That's a fact.
    It was his neighborhood. As I already said, it should be every citizen's duty to make sure the police are doing their job ethically.

    Your attempt to testify as if you were an on scene witness to who was doing what is really the only thing that has nothing to do with the topic being discussed.
    I can only speak on what I have seen through the testimony and video.
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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    why would it be their responsibility? When they approached the man he did not have his dog.
    They knew he had put away his dog. Training (and common sense) would tell them to make sure the dog is secure. Anyone with a brain knows that arresting a man will get its dog worked up. Not that they had to arrest the man in the first place.
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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I appreciate your take on this, but there's no overstating the dog owner's negligence because the dog is dead.
    The dog no doubt thought he was coming to his master's aid. Too bad the owner was not as loyal to the dog as the dog was to the owner. My dog is in her usual evening location under my desk, at my feet, as I type.
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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    How about the frame where the officer put his hand towards the dog with his gun pointed at the dog prior to the leap?
    It appears the officer was trying to get control of the dog by grabbing it's collar. IMO reaching for the collar is not the best idea, but as others have pointed out cops are required to make a reasonable attempt to control the animal before trying to shoot it.

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    In reaction to the legally required attempt, the dog lunged at the cop:

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    The owner stepped forward and gave the command "Max, stop".

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    Then the cop tried to reach for the dog's collar again, which as other have pointed out the cop is legally required to try and get control of the animal before resorting to lethal force:

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    In reaction, the dog lunged at the cop again:

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    And then the dog was shot 4 times in one second.

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    I don't see batons or umbrellas on those cops, pepper-sray doesn't work on dogs and I can't tell if those cops have tazers.
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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Why should anyone need to endanger themselves trying to secure an aggressive dog they are not responsible for?
    They were endangering themselves by NOT making sure the dog was secure. That does not mean they had to touch the dog or get really close. They could have had the owner do that.
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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I haven't seen the video, so I don't have an opinion yet. But there have been numerous incidents of police shootings dogs unnecessarily. Police need more training on how to handle dogs and/or they should call the Animal Control department to deal with it. They routinely deal with aggravated dogs without shooting them.
    When a dog is snapping at you, you don't have time to call ****ing Animal control and wait for their arrival 25-40 minutes later.

    Give me a break.

    An officer doesn't have to sustain a potential rabies infecting bite injury before defending himself against a ****ing dog.


    This whole "OMG THEY KILLED A DOG! THOSE EVIL BASTEEERRDZZ!!!111!!!!" phenomena is retarded.



    According to those who get up in arms over police killing a dog..... They just "know" that they dog was not meaning any harm to the officers, despite officers being injured by dogs on a daily basis....


    So please, don't speak about things you don't know anything about.
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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I have to disagree - it is a dog owners responsibility, at all times, to have their dog under control - that did not happen here. It was, perhaps, an honest mistake and an attempt to do the right thing, however, that doesn't change the fact that but for his not being in control of his dog, his dog is now dead.
    I agree it was probably an honest mistake, but I think that is a little different than outright negligence. Meh, semantics.

    Anyways, judging from the video evidence, do you think an arrest was necessary?
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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Yeah, in a police state you get arrested when you call out "where are the black cops at", in a normal society the police would have walked up and told the man to go about his business, get in his car and go away.
    And you know they didn't do this already how?
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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Maybe because he knows how the local police department acts towards some people in their community. I am not sure at all he was a disturber, there is nothing in the video that suggests that.
    In the video, there were people standing on a front lawn as the two police officers approach the guy with the dog - the police pass them first - why didn't the police arrest or harass those people if the police were just targeting innocent people because that's what the local police do?
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