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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    1) it's an active crime scene involving an armed suspect. being curt is rather excusable
    If they could take the time to arrest the man then they can take the time to walk up to him and talk to him. Its called being civilized... something many cops have forgotten to do.

    2) there is actually no indication of this
    All I know is that apparently police yelled at him from a distance. Could not make out what was said but according to the Lieutenant they were ordering him to turn down his radio.
    Police shoot and kill Rottweiler in the street when the dog runs over to owner being arrested for obstruction of justice | Mail Online


    I'm not sure how that changes the context they were operating within, nor create a need to micromanage how people secure their pets
    It changes it completely. Since they were not actively dealing with the armed suspect I don't see how that situation can be used as an excuse for their failures.

    or just unrealistic and unreasonable ...
    1. The man had a fullgrown rottweiler and the cops knew it.
    2. The man was cooperative with police
    3. Common sense would tell you the dog would get upset if it sees its owner being arrested. Despite your claims from other day, they were only a few yards away from the car.

    Thus, it is completely reasonable to expect a trained officer to take a minute and make sure the dog is secured.
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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    He was to close to the barricade, not the active crime scene. Moving the barricade doesn't change his proximity to the barricade.
    Well, first of all I never heard of any law about "being too close to a barricade." If such a law exists, it is ridiculous. Also, moving the barricade would mean the man is further from the scene, making him less of a destraction, despite his proximity to the barricade.
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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    If they could take the time to arrest the man then they can take the time to walk up to him and talk to him. Its called being civilized... something many cops have forgotten to do.



    All I know is that apparently police yelled at him from a distance. Could not make out what was said but according to the Lieutenant they were ordering him to turn down his radio.
    Police shoot and kill Rottweiler in the street when the dog runs over to owner being arrested for obstruction of justice | Mail Online




    It changes it completely. Since they were not actively dealing with the armed suspect I don't see how that situation can be used as an excuse for their failures.



    1. The man had a fullgrown rottweiler and the cops knew it.
    2. The man was cooperative with police
    3. Common sense would tell you the dog would get upset if it sees its owner being arrested. Despite your claims from other day, they were only a few yards away from the car.

    Thus, it is completely reasonable to expect a trained officer to take a minute and make sure the dog is secured.
    You don't take minutes with active crime scenes. You maintain positive control of the aria until the situation is over.

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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Well, first of all I never heard of any law about "being too close to a barricade." If such a law exists, it is ridiculous. Also, moving the barricade would mean the man is further from the scene, making him less of a destraction, despite his proximity to the barricade.
    His proximity to the crime scene wasn't the issue.

    You don't stop to move cars and beracaids in the middle of an active armed robbery response. You cuff and detain anyone who decides to be a pest. You don't take time to uncuff someone you just arrested because there's a reason you cuffed them in the first place. You don't use escalation of force procedures with a hostile dog while you're detaining someone who was being a pest at an active armed robbery response; you kill the dog.

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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    they did take actions to make sure the dog was secure. They allowed the guy to put his dog in his car.
    How so? Seems the guy chose to do that on his own.


    Honestly, it's like you expect them to baby sit individuals in the middle of an ACTIVE CRIME SCENE.

    lol
    So now making sure a dog is secure before arresting its owner right in front of it is equivalent to babysitting? Lol.
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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You don't take minutes with active crime scenes. You maintain positive control of the aria until the situation is over.
    The cops who arrested the guy did not appear actively involved in the crime scene. It appears they were assigned to crowd control. And they failed utterly.
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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    His proximity to the crime scene wasn't the issue.
    Apparently it was if he was a distraction.
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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    The cops who arrested the guy did not appear actively involved in the crime scene. It appears they were assigned to crowd control. And they failed utterly.
    Success or failure is defined by the crowd's ability to interfere with the interior of the scene. No one was allowed to interfere, so it was a success.

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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Apparently it was if he was a distraction.
    And then he was cuffed and put in a car and wasn't a distraction anymore.

    He wanted attention, he got it.

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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Success or failure is defined by the crowd's ability to interfere with the interior of the scene. No one was allowed to interfere, so it was a success.
    The situation that resulted from the arrest was avoidable. Complete failure.
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