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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    The dog died needlessly. The owner was irresponsible by not securing the dog properly in the car. The police saw a big dog and it wasn't being docile and immediately got their hackles up so to speak. The officers could have handled it differently without having to kill the dog and still not getting hurt.
    The way I see the video the dog was being aggressive with the officer and lunging at him. I think what the cop did was fine. I would have probably done the same thing.

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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    The dog wouldn't have tried defending its owner if the police weren't abusing their power. Their detainment of the dog owner was unjustified and uncalled for... but in present day America, police can arrest you for next to anything, and ask questions later. Sad.

    Note that the dog owner was recording the police with his phone, something that the police no longer allow. Funny that there was a second person recording the recorder from across the street.

    This is why citizens should always have the right to record police action. If the police aren't abusing power then they have nothing to worry about.
    The police were well within their right to detain the man. This was not an abuse of power.
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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    In this situation, don't you think a little common sense could have been exercised on both sides? Of course the owner shouldn't have ran his mouth. He should have secured the dog properly. But couldn't the police have given the owner a chance to control his dog? It's not like he was being detained for a felony.
    They did give him the chance. They waited for him to put his dog in his car, which he did. That was his chance.

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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

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    Again, why not just educate yourself
    On what exactly?
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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    On what exactly?
    Background: Leon Rosby has pending civil cases against the Hothorn police department. Leon Rosby's prior record includes convictions for resisting arrest, battery and driving under the influence. Rosby, a black man, has filed six complaints alleging mistreatment and racial profiling by the Hawthorn Police. It seems Mr. Rosby is a bit of a vigilantly. Based on his history it is my opinion that he went to this police action so as to cause an incident so that he can bring more civil actions against the police.

    The arrest:
    • Leon Rosby was shouting various comments like "where all 'da black cops at" at the perimeter of a barricade.
    • Leon Rosby was asked to keep his distance from the barricade (I believe in CA you have to stay around 30ft back but I can't verify that number) and refused to comply.
    • Leon Rosby had this song set to repeat from his car at a loud volume. Leon Rosby was asked to turn down his music and refused to comply. Hawthorne police Lt. Scott Swain to the Daily Breeze: "It's interfering with what they are able to hear. It's not just a party call. It's an armed robbery call. The officers need to hear what's going on with the people being called out of the residence. That music in his car is bleeding over and it's distracting them,”...

    It is my opinion that the arrest was justified.

    The shooting: It appears the officer was trying to get control of the dog by grabbing it's collar. IMO reaching for the collar is not the best idea, but I believe cops are required to make a reasonable attempt to control the animal before trying to shoot it.

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    In reaction to the legally required attempt, the dog lunged at the cop:

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    The owner stepped forward and gave the command "Max, stop".

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    Then the cop tried to reach for the dog's collar again:

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    In reaction, the dog lunged at the cop again:

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    And then the dog was shot 4 times in one second.


    It is my opinion that the shooting was justified. Frankly I would have shot the dog as it approached from the car.


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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    why do you keep putting this idea forward that people have an obligation to be attacked by dogs before responding to obviously aggressive behavior and that dog attacks may be ok because there is a chance they might not be fatal?

    Does this seriously strike you as a well thought out argument?
    I didn't say that people are obliged to be attacked by dogs. These officers weren't attacked by the dog. None of the officers were injured by the dog. They were justified because they were scared. Are regular civilians allowed to shoot any unrestrained dog they come across because they are scared?

    My argument is solid because I understand dog behavior. If that dog was so aggressive that he would kill a grown man, he would have immediately jumped on them a bit and shook. This dog did not do that. He was warning the police and telling them that he didn't like the situation.
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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The way I see the video the dog was being aggressive with the officer and lunging at him. I think what the cop did was fine. I would have probably done the same thing.
    He was warning the officer. I am sure you would have shot the dog too.
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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    He was warning the officer. I am sure you would have shot the dog too.
    It's an animal, I'm not putting my safety at risk by trusting in dog psychology. Human life > animal life. He was within his rights to defend himself. Personally I would have probably waited until it was snapping at me or trying to bite me, but either way it was justified self defense.

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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    These officers weren't attacked by the dog.
    Yes they were, twice, as evidenced.

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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It's an animal, I'm not putting my safety at risk by trusting in dog psychology. Human life > animal life. He was within his rights to defend himself. Personally I would have probably waited until it was snapping at me or trying to bite me, but either way it was justified self defense.
    I'm not scared to be bitten by a dog. Unless it was lunging for my throat, I could handle whatever it did.

    It's funny, cops get all scared and worried about their safety when they might get bitten by a dog. But when it's their dog doing the biting, it's not considered "lethal force".
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