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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    well, it has been reporting that he was blasting his music at an active crime scene and refused to turn it down when asked (this according to a neighbor). And while I likely hate cops mopre than you, I can recognize why having some asshole specifically causing such a commotion at an active crime scene could be defined as "disorderly conduct", "interfering with an investigation", or "disturbing the peace"

    I'm really lost on why anyone would ignore these rather glaring elements to defend this ****-dick (the dog is just as capable of attacking a child or elderly person), but here we are

    I would agree with you if the fellow was inside the barricades which to my mind - and I'm not cop so I'm speculating here - defines the limits of the crime scene.

    You have to obey the lawful orders of the police. That's not in question. And I agree he should've lowered the radio but that doesn't appear to me to be lawful order in this case.

    I have a huge problem with "disorderly conduct" style offenses because they're very often used abusively. I also have in the back in my mind that the cop may well have shot the dog simply to punish the guy.
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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Don't serve on a jury, ever.
    So since we disagree you feel obligated to insult my intelligence?
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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Judging by the number of police cars, and the assault rifle carried by one of them, there was probably some serious **** going down. They weren't arresting him, they were restraining him. It's a safety precaution. They were likely just going to ask him a few questions, run his license to make sure he didn't have any warrants, tell him to stay out of there until the situation is clear, and send him on his way.

    If a large dog (especially a rottweiler or a pit) charges at me like that, I'm going to shoot it. It was clearly acting in an aggressive manner, and presented itself as a threat.
    You are most likely correct about the police using handcuffs to restrain him until they could determine more information about him. From the look of the neigborhood, it didn't look like a place I would take any chances either. I didn't notice the assault rifles, but if they come out then ya, something is going down.

    The dog was definitely a threat. Shooting it was justified.

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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That's survival.

    Let him go back to his car and your "evidence" could be him firing on you. I'm not risking my neck for someone's dog.
    Hopefully you wouldn't be stupid enough to cause the situation in the first place, unlike the officers in the video.

    And hopefully he sues the police department and makes a mint, he deserves it.
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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    So since we disagree you feel obligated to insult my intelligence?
    Not sure how my opinion can be viewed as an insult to your intelligence. You've decided you know what happened, you've rejected others observations by what can only be described as a written wave of the hand, and you've anchored your verdict on snippets of information that may, or may not, be presented in proper and complete context.

    Perhaps you've insulted your own intelligence?

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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Hopefully you wouldn't be stupid enough to cause the situation in the first place, unlike the officers in the video.

    And hopefully he sues the police department and makes a mint, he deserves it.
    Granted I'm never going to reach for a dog, I like my fingers they open my pay check, but I would have killed the dog with the first lunge, not the second.

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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Not sure how my opinion can be viewed as an insult to your intelligence.
    You said I should never serve on a jury. How exactly is that not meant as an insult?

    You've decided you know what happened,
    No, I clearly stated "based on the video evidence." I never said I knew everything that happened and my opinion could change based on the facts that are released. But I do not simply take police word as 'truth.'

    you've rejected others observations by what can only be described as a written wave of the hand, and you've anchored your verdict on snippets of information that may, or may not, be presented in proper and complete context.
    I think it is clear this could have been better handled by both sides. But I am being especially critical of the police because they are paid by taxpayers to properly handle these kinds of situations. I don't believe they had in this case.
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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    You said I should never serve on a jury. How exactly is that not meant as an insult?



    No, I clearly stated "based on the video evidence." I never said I knew everything that happened and my opinion could change based on the facts that are released. But I do not simply take police word as 'truth.'



    I think it is clear this could have been better handled by both sides. But I am being especially critical of the police because they are paid by taxpayers to properly handle these kinds of situations. I don't believe they had in this case.
    Yes, based on how you have staked a position in the matter, I have suggested you never serve on a jury.

    I think it's unfortunate the dog was killed. I think it's unfortunate that a man with a axe to grind put himself into a situation where his dog ended up being killed.

    I've stated, in writting that I didn't know if the dog should have been killed or not. An 80 Rottweiler is potentially a lethal animal, so under the circumstances, anything could have happened. Unfortunately it did, and the dog paid the price.

    What is fundementally true, is that Rosby, within his rights or not, went to the scene of police action with the intent of engaging the police. That is indesputable, and completely supported by the evidence, and by his previous actions.

    The dog would be alive today, if Rosby hadn't decided to do that.

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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Yes, based on how you have staked a position in the matter, I have suggested you never serve on a jury.
    So because I have a different take on the event, that warrants an insult? How interesting.

    I think it's unfortunate the dog was killed. I think it's unfortunate that a man with a axe to grind put himself into a situation where his dog ended up being killed.
    None of us know what his motives were.

    I've stated, in writting that I didn't know if the dog should have been killed or not. An 80 Rottweiler is potentially a lethal animal, so under the circumstances, anything could have happened. Unfortunately it did, and the dog paid the price.
    And it was completely avoidable if the cops took off the blinders and were more aware of their environment.

    What is fundementally true, is that Rosby, within his rights or not, went to the scene of police action with the intent of engaging the police. That is indesputable, and completely supported by the evidence, and by his previous actions.
    He said he was making sure no one's rights were being violated. Right now its his word vs your assumption.
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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    So because I have a different take on the event, that warrants an insult? How interesting.



    None of us know what his motives were.



    And it was completely avoidable if the cops took off the blinders and were more aware of their environment.



    He said he was making sure no one's rights were being violated. Right now its his word vs your assumption.

    Perhaps you should grow thicker skin. My opinion.

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