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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    The owner did the right thing by putting the dog in the car. If you watch the video in full you would see the dog forcing its way through a partially opened window. The cops knew the dog was there and should have made sure he was completely secure before doing anything at all. At worst, give the man a ticket.
    in the video you can clearly see some of the windows are fully down

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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    I agree it was probably an honest mistake, but I think that is a little different than outright negligence. Meh, semantics.

    Anyways, judging from the video evidence, do you think an arrest was necessary?
    No, judging ONLY from the video evidence, I don't, but then as is usual in these things, the video evidence probably doesn't tell the whole story. I refuse to believe, regardless how corrupt a police force may be, that police in the middle of a serious takedown, in the middle of the day, in daylight, with witnesses, are going to decide to just mosey on over and harass and arrest an innocent man who's minding his own business. That idea has no credibility in my view.
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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    1)How does your post make sense within the context of what I am replying to? FYI: I am replying to someone asking why the cops didn't attempt non-lethal measures. My reply was why should they, or anyone else, risk personal injury to secure a dog they are not responsible for?
    My response was in context. I said the cops did not have to endanger themselves by going anywhere near the dog. They could have had the owner do that.

    2) the dog was lunging at them and the entire confrontation lasted about a half minute
    I am talking about before physically apprehending the man.
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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Listing to the people who were making the video....the whole reason they were recording this guy in the first place is because he was making a scene and they were enjoying it.
    Yeah, the entire purpose in being there seems to have been to cause a scene. ****, I hate cops, but if you go out looking for trouble don't be surprised when you find it

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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    He probably knew it is considered illegal in many areas to record/film a crime scene and so expected an arrest. Many people, especially the black community, are very much aware of this ridiculous law. That, or he was intentionally being dramatic for the camera.
    Could be - I didn't see him filming anything, but it's hard to tell - he was being filmed, however, so I presume there's more video evidence out there which will likely come to light. In addition, I believe when police are conducting this type of raid or takedown, they usually have police filming the action as well for evidence and self defense.
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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    The dog has to make a threatening motion unprovoked. That dog was provoked.
    I believe the dog felt provoked. The cop was not trying to provoke the dog, though, and that makes the difference. The dog should have been properly secured in the first place, or not brought along at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Cops just like to kill and shoot dogs considering 50% of all weapon discharges done by cops are towards dogs.
    As they say on Wiki: [citation needed]

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    DoJ has laid down the law on this as well. According to DoJ policy for Police Officers.. "When responding to aggressive dogs, cops should first try using tranquilizer guns, chemical repellents, and batons. Police might even try scaring dogs with a fast-opening umbrella."
    I didn't see any tranquilizer guns, batons or umbrellas on the cops, and I can't tell if they had tazers.

    What does DoJ say about bringing a dog to a place where you intend to become a public nuisance? What does DoJ say about how to properly secure your animal?

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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    You can expect that if you are recording the the police. At the very least, they will smash your device.
    Not here
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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    in the video you can clearly see some of the windows are fully down
    I watched the video again. It was clear that the left rear window was mostly down. The side the dog jumped out of was less clear but obviously enough for the dog to crawl/jump out of. In any case, not only was it dumb for the cops to arrest a cooperative man in front of his own dog, but it was dumb to not at least have the man make sure the dog was secured.
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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    My response was in context.
    No it wasn't. I just explained the context to you and it had absolutely nothing to do with the point I was responding to

    I said the cops did not have to endanger themselves by going anywhere near the dog. They could have had the owner do that.
    the point I am replying to already assumes the dog is loose and acting aggressively ...



    I am talking about before physically apprehending the man.
    1) no ****. Which is why you should pay attention to context

    2) I responded to that as well: as far as they were aware, the owner, who is the one responsible for such things, apparently did so. But did so in an irresponsible and negligent manner.

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    Re: Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    The only thing the dog was guilty of is defending his owner. An owner that IMHO did not have to be arrested or manhandled that way, especially not by a police force that already has a bad reputation and name.
    That was a pretty standard arrest. Nothing excessive about it at all.

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