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    Re: Amercans suspicious of NSA's recent comments

    I don't think it's clear yet about the story bet/ him and the NSA, but Snowden telling the Chinese the we've been hacking their systems is not cool. I have no sympathy for China, they have spent gazillions on their own hacking capabilities.
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    Re: Amercans suspicious of NSA's recent comments

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I don't think it's clear yet about the story bet/ him and the NSA, but Snowden telling the Chinese the we've been hacking their systems is not cool. I have no sympathy for China, they have spent gazillions on their own hacking capabilities.
    He told Americans that their government was spying on them and compromising their rights. He leaked it to Americans not China. Get your facts straight please.

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    Re: Amercans suspicious of NSA's recent comments

    Quote Originally Posted by John Liberty View Post
    He told Americans that their government was spying on them and compromising their rights. He leaked it to Americans not China. Get your facts straight please.
    He ALSO revealed that the NSA had been conducting hacking operations against the Chinese.
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    Re: Amercans suspicious of NSA's recent comments

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    He ALSO revealed that the NSA had been conducting hacking operations against the Chinese.
    True, but do you think they didn't know? The revelation, although perhaps it shouldn't have been a big surprise, was that the government was collecting data on all Americans, not just an identified few.
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    Re: Amercans suspicious of NSA's recent comments

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    He ALSO revealed that the NSA had been conducting hacking operations against the Chinese.
    We already knew that. We hack Iran North Korea and Russia too.

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    Re: Amercans suspicious of NSA's recent comments

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I don't think it's clear yet about the story bet/ him and the NSA, but Snowden telling the Chinese the we've been hacking their systems is not cool. I have no sympathy for China, they have spent gazillions on their own hacking capabilities.
    I am pretty sure the chinese knew that. It is part of the whole spy thing. Just like I am pretty sure most real al queda knows the US is watching their communications which is why they talk in code. Snowden did not reveal a single thing those people did not already know. What he did reveal to a bunch of rather ignorant people called US citizens is that our government was spying on us. Trust me, every other country does exactly what we do, which is try to keep our systems secure from spying, under the knowledge that spying and hacking are a fact of existence in this world between rival powers. Even our own corporations protect against spying they know is ever present. Snowden has not endangered a single person outside of the US government's citizen watch program. Our government doesn't want him because he told the chinese we are spying on them. They want him because he told us.

    You finally have yourself a real and much more serious obamagate, and you are out for the blood of the witness who told us. Aren't you even the slightest bit concerned that the republicans are attacking the guy who has the info to down obama? Are you going to actually trust obama to spy on you? Are you now an Obama crony? You want him to be able to spy on us? because this is what it seems like when you try to attack the guy who ratted him out.

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    Re: Amercans suspicious of NSA's recent comments

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I don't think it's clear yet about the story bet/ him and the NSA, but Snowden telling the Chinese the we've been hacking their systems is not cool.
    Quelle difference? China already knew it

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    Re: Amercans suspicious of NSA's recent comments

    Snowden is condemning the same institution he worked for; he feels guilty about having worked for it. That's why he came clean.

    The "I want to do something good for my country" line is BS. Everyone from coast-to-coast who bothered to pick up a decent newspaper (obviously not palin) knew the NSA had a massive snooping facility waaaaaaaay before Snowden's "revelation", even if they didn't know that it was called.

    Snowden did the honorable thing, but the real sadness in his heart is for having been on the other side.

    And in fact, because he was on the other side, he should be punished.

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    Re: Amercans suspicious of NSA's recent comments

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Snowden is condemning the same institution he worked for; he feels guilty about having worked for it. That's why he came clean.

    The "I want to do something good for my country" line is BS. Everyone from coast-to-coast who bothered to pick up a decent newspaper (obviously not palin) knew the NSA had a massive snooping facility waaaaaaaay before Snowden's "revelation", even if they didn't know that it was called.

    Snowden did the honorable thing, but the real sadness in his heart is for having been on the other side.

    And in fact, because he was on the other side, he should be punished.
    They are not punishing him because he was on the spying side, they are punishing him because he hurt the spying side. Of course, if they want to punish the people who are spying without any regard for things like judicial review, the proper acquisition of evidence, and the BS removal of rights for anyone who they arbitrarily label as a threat to national security I would be cool with that. I am also aware that the justice system often needs to have some way of getting witnesses and the threat of punishment for a whistleblower certainly works against getting a person to come clean and implicate their people for what they do.

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